WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.599 --> 00:00:02.419 Welcome, everyone. My name 2 00:00:02.758 --> 00:00:03.498 is Calvin 3 00:00:03.958 --> 00:00:06.337 from Sinclair. I have with me here CarolinaYork 4 00:00:07.134 --> 00:00:09.553 who has been with us for for several years. 5 00:00:09.933 --> 00:00:11.792 She is a business mentor 6 00:00:12.252 --> 00:00:19.277 in Denmark, is doing great she started out doing teaching women how to carry babies in these slings. 7 00:00:19.897 --> 00:00:23.515 And now she is, like, she started out before that as a journalist. 8 00:00:24.224 --> 00:00:30.621 But now she's trans transitioning through that and and her entire business is around helping other particularly women. 9 00:00:30.621 --> 00:00:31.300 Is that correct? 10 00:00:32.099 --> 00:00:33.498 - Yeah. Particularly - Yeah. 11 00:00:33.498 --> 00:00:39.815 Create a business kind of life that they love without working overworking themselves so that they can be mothers and, you know, how to life. 12 00:00:40.214 --> 00:00:43.193 Besides in business. Is that? Doing your doing your justice? 13 00:00:44.212 --> 00:00:48.300 - Yeah. It it's exactly it. Yeah. Great. I'm glad that you actually caught that. 14 00:00:48.659 --> 00:00:50.319 You set up done something right. 15 00:00:50.738 --> 00:00:51.238 Yes. 16 00:00:51.938 --> 00:00:54.157 - I have caught that. Very clearly, actually. 17 00:00:54.536 --> 00:00:57.475 Very clearly. I think you'll be doing a lot of things right. 18 00:00:57.594 --> 00:01:04.571 So would you tell us like would you tell us a little bit more about your journey and how you got to this place and and what it is that you're doing? 19 00:01:05.129 --> 00:01:05.629 Today? 20 00:01:06.849 --> 00:01:07.349 - Yeah. 21 00:01:08.688 --> 00:01:09.188 Well, 22 00:01:11.286 --> 00:01:16.693 when I I had this baby wearing school teaching mothers to carry their their child in the sling. 23 00:01:17.792 --> 00:01:21.051 I found out that what I really like to do was to 24 00:01:22.539 --> 00:01:25.638 work with the women and and actually to build the business. 25 00:01:25.897 --> 00:01:29.876 I thought that the build business building part was really fun. And 26 00:01:32.164 --> 00:01:33.704 and also like the 27 00:01:34.123 --> 00:01:38.501 the the mindset part because that's been a part of my personal journeys really 28 00:01:38.929 --> 00:01:43.068 going from a leader from a week victim to a leader in my life. Mhmm. 29 00:01:43.367 --> 00:01:47.905 And and I like to to support people other people doing that as well. 30 00:01:48.344 --> 00:01:48.844 And, 31 00:01:51.223 --> 00:01:53.082 Simpler has been with me 32 00:01:54.341 --> 00:01:55.621 almost the entire journey. 33 00:01:55.621 --> 00:02:04.956 From when I started out, doing things the right way when I started out really taking my business building seriously and and getting help and mentors and stuff like that. 34 00:02:04.956 --> 00:02:11.771 I think the part about getting mentors, you know, hire people that have walked the walk that I want to walk myself -- Mhmm. 35 00:02:11.771 --> 00:02:13.671 - -- - has been a big part of my success. 36 00:02:14.379 --> 00:02:15.639 So I went from 37 00:02:16.938 --> 00:02:19.757 the baby bearing school, went from 0 to 38 00:02:20.416 --> 00:02:20.916 around 39 00:02:22.114 --> 00:02:24.953 10 k a month within a year and a half. 40 00:02:24.953 --> 00:02:29.431 And I was actually doing that part time, but I could live over after a year and a half. Right. 41 00:02:29.431 --> 00:02:32.289 - It's 10 k. - And the business - 10 10000 42 00:02:32.549 --> 00:02:33.049 dollar 43 00:02:33.468 --> 00:02:37.167 - a month. - Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. - And you're based in Denmark. 44 00:02:37.786 --> 00:02:43.503 - I'm I'm I'm sorry - for that. Yes. I remember to mention that. - Yes. Yeah. Yes. I'm based on them. 45 00:02:44.243 --> 00:02:49.670 I have I actually do have customers from other other countries as well, but the Scandinavian countries. 46 00:02:50.949 --> 00:02:56.486 - Is your teaching school primarily or only in Danish, or are you doing stuff in English as well? 47 00:02:56.944 --> 00:03:01.962 - It is in Danish now, but I do have plans to to do it in in 48 00:03:02.302 --> 00:03:07.779 - English and not maybe in the beginning for next year or later this year. - Alright. Cool. Alright. 49 00:03:07.779 --> 00:03:09.038 I'm sorry. Go ahead. 50 00:03:10.178 --> 00:03:10.918 - It's fine. 51 00:03:12.137 --> 00:03:13.996 And around a year ago, 52 00:03:14.434 --> 00:03:16.414 I I knew that I had to 53 00:03:17.513 --> 00:03:21.211 take my business to a a new level. I really feel compelled 54 00:03:21.631 --> 00:03:23.490 to to juice myself 55 00:03:23.899 --> 00:03:27.878 more in my experience, more in my business. And I was a bit told if I should 56 00:03:28.577 --> 00:03:31.236 go with the business building or the mindset stuff. 57 00:03:31.424 --> 00:03:35.043 And I actually started out with the mindset stuff, went to business building. 58 00:03:35.063 --> 00:03:42.579 And now I'm back at a place where the mindset stuff and the healing and and all the inner stuff stuff is actually 59 00:03:43.318 --> 00:03:45.997 - becoming a bigger part of my business as well. - Right. 60 00:03:45.997 --> 00:03:49.135 - But this part of my business, I've went from 0 to 61 00:03:50.384 --> 00:03:53.463 Just a little less than 40 pays 40000 62 00:03:53.463 --> 00:03:54.283 k a month 63 00:03:55.262 --> 00:03:56.361 - in a year. - Mhmm. 64 00:03:57.061 --> 00:03:57.520 Cool. 65 00:03:57.799 --> 00:04:07.015 - So so when you're saying the the mindset and the healing and those things, is that still like you're where you're helping with people with is their business or - are you helping people with their lives in general? 66 00:04:08.194 --> 00:04:15.600 I'm still helping them build the business, but I've just found out that I help people better when I actually 67 00:04:16.119 --> 00:04:18.498 work with the inner stuff a lot more. Yes. 68 00:04:18.598 --> 00:04:22.236 Because people have so many blogs and mindset stuff going on. Yes. 69 00:04:22.236 --> 00:04:27.523 - So when I work with that as well, they kind of move faster. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah. Yeah. 70 00:04:27.523 --> 00:04:30.782 I remember seeing this this hierarchy, like, in it's from 71 00:04:31.401 --> 00:04:32.741 what's his name? The Emith 72 00:04:33.339 --> 00:04:35.998 Do you know who I'm talking about? Michael Michael Gerber. 73 00:04:36.378 --> 00:04:49.211 He's like a big, a big, bustling author here in, like, in the entrepreneurial space, and he has this this hierarchy if you can work in your business, meaning like you're actually doing whatever the work it is, you're designing, you're coding, whatever you can work 74 00:04:51.349 --> 00:04:52.248 on your business 75 00:04:53.108 --> 00:04:53.428 or 76 00:04:53.987 --> 00:04:57.006 and then I'd like to I'd like to add you can work on yourself. 77 00:04:57.924 --> 00:05:02.542 Right? So working on your business is hiring and processes and systems and things like that. 78 00:05:02.602 --> 00:05:06.840 And, like, working on yourself is is the highest impact of work that you can do. 79 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.299 - Yeah. Exactly. - Yeah. 80 00:05:10.078 --> 00:05:14.016 - Wonderful. And the - and the interesting thing for me is that 81 00:05:15.584 --> 00:05:20.222 starting to take my business really serious and and integrate my passion as well. 82 00:05:20.222 --> 00:05:25.949 Started with my kids. Mhmm. And I always say that kids and having a business. It's like the 2 83 00:05:27.088 --> 00:05:27.588 biggest 84 00:05:28.567 --> 00:05:31.466 do you say cats in the states or in Catalysts. Catalysts. 85 00:05:32.005 --> 00:05:32.505 Catalysts. 86 00:05:33.054 --> 00:05:36.193 For for personal development. Yeah. I mean, it's insane 87 00:05:36.573 --> 00:05:38.512 what it can make you 88 00:05:39.731 --> 00:05:40.890 do basically. Yes. 89 00:05:40.890 --> 00:05:47.007 Because you really need to look at your self to grow in your in in being a parent and and in having a business. 90 00:05:47.007 --> 00:05:49.186 - Yes. Which is also - a type of baby. 91 00:05:49.526 --> 00:05:53.103 Yeah. Yeah. Some personal development through parenting and entrepreneurship, 92 00:05:53.443 --> 00:05:55.182 and ideally together 93 00:05:55.762 --> 00:05:57.801 at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 94 00:05:57.801 --> 00:06:02.948 I'd like I see that to, like, you know, parenting becoming a parent is a is a huge catalyst for 95 00:06:03.687 --> 00:06:04.767 starting out in business. 96 00:06:04.767 --> 00:06:13.412 People discover that they weren't really happy in the jobs that they were and, like, they they get to have this break, and now they realize that they really wanna do something else with their lives. 97 00:06:14.111 --> 00:06:15.891 In surprise of their kids too. 98 00:06:16.429 --> 00:06:18.788 So so tell me a little bit more about that. 99 00:06:18.788 --> 00:06:24.525 You say when you you said a couple times when you started to take your business seriously getting mentors and you mentioned also 100 00:06:25.694 --> 00:06:27.913 signing up for a simpler and that same breath. 101 00:06:28.293 --> 00:06:32.551 So what was that what was that shift like and and what happened and and how did you 102 00:06:33.330 --> 00:06:34.089 put that into 103 00:06:35.849 --> 00:06:39.707 - Yeah. It's so funny because I really don't remember 104 00:06:40.047 --> 00:06:40.547 what 105 00:06:41.086 --> 00:06:44.893 shifted me. I mean, I don't remember the day or or the mindset, 106 00:06:45.273 --> 00:06:47.332 but I just remember me started 107 00:06:47.832 --> 00:06:48.332 starting 108 00:06:48.791 --> 00:06:49.291 building 109 00:06:51.049 --> 00:06:52.389 the baby rang school. 110 00:06:52.488 --> 00:06:58.785 And in that process, I started, you know, being interested in, okay, if I can do email marketing, sending 111 00:06:59.374 --> 00:07:03.292 sending out newsletters and and using social media and all that stuff. 112 00:07:03.292 --> 00:07:07.209 I mean, I hadn't been doing that at all. I mean, as in at all. 113 00:07:07.269 --> 00:07:09.688 I'd been blocking for a few years, though. Mhmm. 114 00:07:11.547 --> 00:07:14.606 Oh, actually, now remember and I remember now because 115 00:07:15.214 --> 00:07:18.593 - I was on a brand building retreat with the Danish woman - -- Mhmm. 116 00:07:18.732 --> 00:07:21.931 - -- - when I was pregnant with my first child. - Mhmm. 117 00:07:21.931 --> 00:07:25.289 - And and she said to me, Nadia, you just have to start blogging. 118 00:07:25.429 --> 00:07:29.907 And I don't care what you blog about. Just start blogging about your life. Mhmm. 119 00:07:29.907 --> 00:07:33.224 And I'm sure you're going to to work with people 120 00:07:33.564 --> 00:07:42.439 on how to to kind of build their life when when being a family and and she was, you know, she just saw something in my self that I didn't see at the time. 121 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.578 At that time, I was just working as a journalist. 122 00:07:46.397 --> 00:07:47.896 And I think that was 123 00:07:48.276 --> 00:07:49.935 the beginning of me 124 00:07:50.574 --> 00:07:51.354 being interested 125 00:07:51.814 --> 00:07:56.451 in in business in another way and building that business that way. Mhmm. So 126 00:07:57.611 --> 00:07:58.111 yeah. 127 00:07:59.179 --> 00:08:01.078 Yeah. That was the beginning, definitely. 128 00:08:01.458 --> 00:08:04.437 So I think it's it's also about, you know, 129 00:08:04.896 --> 00:08:09.374 starting to look at the business building part as as an area, 130 00:08:10.113 --> 00:08:13.272 a serious area that you actually need tools. Right. 131 00:08:13.272 --> 00:08:21.587 In most people, they they they a lot of the women I work with they spend a lot of money getting really great at what they do. 132 00:08:21.587 --> 00:08:28.214 I mean, if they are a therapist that get they they become AAAA shallow coach and then they take, you know -- Mhmm. 133 00:08:28.434 --> 00:08:32.911 -- they go to do the work with buying KD and and they do all this stuff. Yep. 134 00:08:32.911 --> 00:08:38.218 But they don't invest in their business and in the business building part and looking and how can I do this -- Yeah? 135 00:08:38.218 --> 00:08:42.835 - -- - even though it's in a process as well, but but investing in that and singing seriously. 136 00:08:42.835 --> 00:08:46.224 And that was what I begun to do at that time. Right. 137 00:08:46.643 --> 00:08:49.662 - Yeah. Again, Michael Gerber calls it the entrepreneurial seizure 138 00:08:50.161 --> 00:08:51.461 as in you -- Yeah. 139 00:08:51.461 --> 00:09:00.786 -- you love writing so much you just, like, right and right and right, but you never figure out, like, alright, how do I what's the structure that I need to put around this so that it actually brings me somewhere? 140 00:09:01.124 --> 00:09:04.923 - So but - so -- Yeah. - -- but like a lot of people don't ever make that step. 141 00:09:04.923 --> 00:09:11.549 So you I mean, apart from realizing you kinda had to, they're like, was it the kids that that that made you actually 142 00:09:13.048 --> 00:09:16.707 fight that bullet and and and and discover your passion for it? 143 00:09:18.624 --> 00:09:23.922 - Yeah. Sorry. I'm a little distracted. I have a deer running in front of my window. Okay. 144 00:09:24.701 --> 00:09:25.521 It's very 145 00:09:25.980 --> 00:09:26.480 scenic. 146 00:09:27.069 --> 00:09:27.569 Fantastic. 147 00:09:28.469 --> 00:09:28.969 Sorry. 148 00:09:31.347 --> 00:09:33.447 I think my kids were a 149 00:09:33.866 --> 00:09:35.086 very big factor. 150 00:09:35.744 --> 00:09:42.121 I didn't work that hard before having kids because I was in Denmark being a journalist isn't 151 00:09:44.648 --> 00:09:48.347 the prizes, the freelance prizes are actually pretty good. Good. 152 00:09:49.046 --> 00:09:51.225 So it didn't struggle that bad. But 153 00:09:52.434 --> 00:10:00.151 still, I just realized it wasn't possible for me to have the life I wanted if I continued doing what I did. 154 00:10:00.151 --> 00:10:00.639 Right? 155 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:06.897 Because it didn't make a lot of money, but my husband made at that time, he made a lot of money, so it was possible. 156 00:10:08.236 --> 00:10:09.975 But he also wanted to 157 00:10:10.404 --> 00:10:12.903 - to have his own company. - Mhmm. 158 00:10:13.883 --> 00:10:18.621 - And we didn't want our kids to to be in kindergarten not in kindergarten. It's called 159 00:10:19.219 --> 00:10:23.877 day care. Yeah. Yeah. And day care, like, the whole day for 7 morning until 160 00:10:24.856 --> 00:10:27.475 5 afternoon, which isn't uncommon in Denmark. 161 00:10:28.894 --> 00:10:33.592 So we just wanted to have another live. So it was also about designing 162 00:10:34.931 --> 00:10:36.391 a lifestyle that fitted. 163 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:38.619 Fit me and my husband. 164 00:10:39.038 --> 00:10:42.497 - Alright. Cool. So tell me so so how did you actually come across in Clara? 165 00:10:44.174 --> 00:10:48.193 - That is so funny because I've really been thinking about that, and I'm not 166 00:10:50.771 --> 00:10:52.510 really sure. I think 167 00:10:54.639 --> 00:11:01.795 I think it might be because I went on a actually on a business course called business boot camp, which was -- Yes. 168 00:11:01.795 --> 00:11:04.704 -- pretty huge in them. Yeah. And and the 169 00:11:05.443 --> 00:11:09.302 people running that new you. Right. And I 170 00:11:10.739 --> 00:11:14.877 I download you you had a a books a book for entrepreneurs. 171 00:11:15.217 --> 00:11:16.397 - Mhmm. Yes. 172 00:11:17.056 --> 00:11:19.155 - And I and I read that. 173 00:11:19.865 --> 00:11:21.784 And I think that was the beginning. And I just 174 00:11:22.423 --> 00:11:23.163 when I 175 00:11:23.703 --> 00:11:25.922 began the baby wearing school, I just 176 00:11:26.461 --> 00:11:31.318 felt that I wanted I mean, it just it made sense for me to to use a simpler. Mhmm. 177 00:11:31.318 --> 00:11:39.882 It made sense for me to to have a place place where I could put content and a place where I can have my newsletter and a place where I could 178 00:11:40.742 --> 00:11:43.041 have all the things together. I think 179 00:11:43.380 --> 00:11:43.920 I just 180 00:11:44.709 --> 00:11:48.248 I like all kind of processes that kind of save me time. 181 00:11:48.267 --> 00:11:51.206 And I think that was 1 of songs in Playo, basically. 182 00:11:51.346 --> 00:11:54.844 It would save me time, and it has and it does every day here. 183 00:11:55.503 --> 00:11:56.003 - Wonderful. 184 00:11:56.423 --> 00:11:56.783 Alright. 185 00:11:56.783 --> 00:12:03.519 So so what happened I forgot to to to pre frame this upfront, but what what happened recently was that you actually switched away Zuclaro, 186 00:12:03.939 --> 00:12:06.278 which which burned me no end because 187 00:12:06.658 --> 00:12:07.158 because 188 00:12:07.537 --> 00:12:09.397 up until that point, I had 189 00:12:09.816 --> 00:12:10.316 0 190 00:12:10.736 --> 00:12:13.824 people who who left Sunflower for something else. 191 00:12:14.283 --> 00:12:14.783 - Mhmm. 192 00:12:15.243 --> 00:12:20.630 - I - only I've only had the people who left Sunflower because they never got their business off the ground. 193 00:12:21.309 --> 00:12:22.988 You know, that happens, you've you've you've 194 00:12:23.748 --> 00:12:24.248 you 195 00:12:25.267 --> 00:12:29.985 know, you wanna do this, but you realize it takes more work than you thought or whatever for whatever reason you give up. 196 00:12:29.985 --> 00:12:32.284 So obviously, you're not gonna keep some clearer in that case. 197 00:12:32.284 --> 00:12:38.181 But but for everybody who's met who'd managed to build a a sustainable business, I'd never ever lost a customer. 198 00:12:38.540 --> 00:12:42.718 And so you were the first 1 to actually to to leave, and and you 199 00:12:43.137 --> 00:12:44.237 you went to Infusionsoft. 200 00:12:44.696 --> 00:12:48.764 And so it was really, really bummed because you because you destroyed my statistic, but 201 00:12:49.343 --> 00:12:50.083 just to 202 00:12:53.261 --> 00:12:56.118 kinda break the suspension suspense here. What happened? 203 00:12:56.118 --> 00:12:58.018 What ended up happening was that you returned, 204 00:12:58.837 --> 00:13:01.405 which -- Yeah. -- me double half. Be. 205 00:13:01.904 --> 00:13:02.404 So 206 00:13:03.183 --> 00:13:04.703 so tell me a little bit. 207 00:13:04.703 --> 00:13:09.290 What what was it that prompted you to start looking for alternatives in the first place? 208 00:13:10.689 --> 00:13:12.148 - I didn't look for alternatives 209 00:13:12.968 --> 00:13:15.347 because I I was actually certified 210 00:13:16.086 --> 00:13:16.906 with some people. 211 00:13:17.364 --> 00:13:21.303 But I was an American mastermind at that time and everybody there 212 00:13:22.362 --> 00:13:23.142 used Infusionsoft. 213 00:13:23.561 --> 00:13:25.540 Mhmm. And my mentor said that 214 00:13:25.939 --> 00:13:26.439 using 215 00:13:26.859 --> 00:13:34.435 fusion stuff would be really great to to take my business to the next step to to kind of automate even more processes 216 00:13:35.015 --> 00:13:36.054 and and, 217 00:13:36.714 --> 00:13:37.214 yeah, 218 00:13:37.713 --> 00:13:40.592 do things tomorrow. He he didn't know some player. 219 00:13:40.592 --> 00:13:45.929 I was kind of trying to explain that some player actually did a lot of the stuff as well, but I mean 220 00:13:47.329 --> 00:13:49.228 yeah. So but Infusionsub 221 00:13:49.847 --> 00:13:50.207 have 222 00:13:51.007 --> 00:13:57.063 has all the the tech and going on that you can act it track a lot more and and tag a lot of things. 223 00:13:58.202 --> 00:14:03.060 So that was the part that I was intrigued by and and made me shift and do the shift. 224 00:14:04.079 --> 00:14:06.179 Even though that the expense of 225 00:14:07.318 --> 00:14:09.557 starting out with Infusionsoft is quite big. 226 00:14:09.557 --> 00:14:16.693 They have kind of a startup program, which is, I think, it's about 3000 dollars that you need to pay upfront. 227 00:14:18.752 --> 00:14:22.030 - And that is, like, does that then cover you for a year? Is that just to start? 228 00:14:22.949 --> 00:14:24.449 - No. That's just to start. 229 00:14:25.228 --> 00:14:31.803 The the monthly cost isn't that bad, but but it's because they have, like, coaching package and and it's it's just 230 00:14:32.323 --> 00:14:37.341 you need to buy it. It's not an option. Okay. Because infused in soft is very complicated. 231 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:38.130 Mhmm. 232 00:14:39.369 --> 00:14:40.949 I'm I'm kind of a techie. 233 00:14:41.688 --> 00:14:46.346 Technic stuff is is quite easy for me to understand. And if you do stuff wasn't that bad, 234 00:14:48.165 --> 00:14:50.144 But what happened was that 235 00:14:51.483 --> 00:14:57.820 they don't really have a lot of clients from Denmark. Our Europe general is my 236 00:14:58.229 --> 00:14:58.729 believe. 237 00:15:00.069 --> 00:15:01.528 That wasn't what they said. 238 00:15:02.947 --> 00:15:08.024 And when I needed to set up the whole merchant account stuff, you know, 239 00:15:08.644 --> 00:15:12.302 getting people to actually pay versus not. No. 240 00:15:13.002 --> 00:15:15.460 Yeah. Nobody was able to help us. 241 00:15:16.699 --> 00:15:18.558 I have I have a project manager 242 00:15:20.257 --> 00:15:20.757 who 243 00:15:21.137 --> 00:15:24.695 email a lot of people in Infusionsoft and then they're She was 244 00:15:25.034 --> 00:15:32.271 sent to another person, and then he was on vacation, and then he got back to her, and then he really wasn't the person who could help her. 245 00:15:32.271 --> 00:15:33.480 And we were just, you know, 246 00:15:34.439 --> 00:15:36.918 - thrown around the system a lot. - Oh, okay. 247 00:15:36.918 --> 00:15:41.376 - And it and wasn't I mean, it was only for a few weeks, but for me, 248 00:15:42.454 --> 00:15:47.032 time is a is a huge factor. Mhmm. And for me spending 249 00:15:47.452 --> 00:15:50.349 - a lot of time getting to know a new system - -- - Mhmm. 250 00:15:50.349 --> 00:15:54.967 - -- - when I actually do have a system that I'm satisfied with with, and then 251 00:15:55.586 --> 00:15:58.085 a customer service that really doesn't 252 00:15:58.584 --> 00:15:59.724 get back to me. Mhmm. 253 00:15:59.863 --> 00:16:06.359 I mean, the thing that I love about support is that when I have a question, I get an answer with an like 24 hours or so. 254 00:16:06.359 --> 00:16:06.859 Mhmm. 255 00:16:07.878 --> 00:16:11.377 And and when I have a suggestion of improvement 256 00:16:12.384 --> 00:16:16.622 you get back to us. And and you say, okay, that sounds really great. I'll work on that. 257 00:16:16.622 --> 00:16:19.601 I mean, and and and the system has improved 258 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:20.720 greatly. 259 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.418 With in in the few years I've been with you. So 260 00:16:26.157 --> 00:16:27.657 - so, like, I know Thanks. 261 00:16:28.445 --> 00:16:32.703 I just wanted to back up a little bit because, like so the comparisons is, like, 262 00:16:33.882 --> 00:16:35.062 Sinclair is, like, 263 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:48.053 in a way more integrated, but Infusionsoft has more in terms of you can, like, tag people and and segment out based on whether they click something or open something and then you do something different. 264 00:16:48.053 --> 00:16:50.872 - Yeah. - So you can yeah. You can kind of automate 265 00:16:51.611 --> 00:16:54.200 processes even more. So if 266 00:16:54.859 --> 00:16:57.678 if I have auto respond to series when people 267 00:16:58.577 --> 00:17:00.545 opt in for my newsletter. Right? 268 00:17:01.704 --> 00:17:03.643 I can track if people 269 00:17:05.182 --> 00:17:10.789 - actually see the videos. I've email them. - Alright. - So I can just have 270 00:17:11.128 --> 00:17:14.187 a sequence of emails going to all the people 271 00:17:14.855 --> 00:17:22.731 who clicked all of them, and then I can have a sequence for people who only click the first 1, and then I can have the sequence, and I can have all that automated. 272 00:17:22.871 --> 00:17:26.318 - Right. So don't when I I've tested it up, - it works. Right. Right. Yeah. 273 00:17:26.318 --> 00:17:32.016 And that was all you're you're thinking in order to grow your business, you needed to start automating more things like that like that. 274 00:17:32.355 --> 00:17:34.294 Yeah. And then you realized, 275 00:17:34.674 --> 00:17:35.653 sure. But 276 00:17:37.152 --> 00:17:41.930 it was, like, it was more complicated and the service customer service was really there to support it and 277 00:17:42.300 --> 00:17:44.818 - it wasn't worth it. - Yeah. And and and it's yeah. 278 00:17:44.818 --> 00:17:49.516 And and and there was still I mean, and and is and and and and the fusion soft is very complicated. 279 00:17:49.736 --> 00:17:53.773 And and the dough I mean, they don't tell you otherwise because it is. Mhmm. 280 00:17:54.313 --> 00:17:58.451 And what I like about supplier is that is actually simple to use. 281 00:17:59.399 --> 00:18:03.757 It's very easy when when I have a group of people buying a workshop on event. 282 00:18:03.757 --> 00:18:07.176 It's very easy just to to write them. Mhmm. 283 00:18:07.534 --> 00:18:11.713 In Infusionsoft, you had a lot of technical notes, so it's way more complicated. 284 00:18:11.852 --> 00:18:15.511 Most people are not able to use Infusionsoft themselves. They have 285 00:18:15.929 --> 00:18:18.388 assistance who are specialized in Infusionsoft, 286 00:18:19.648 --> 00:18:21.107 which is fine. I mean, 287 00:18:22.326 --> 00:18:27.574 that's not the issue. But the issue is that the customer service came short for me. Right. 288 00:18:28.473 --> 00:18:29.853 And and when I actually 289 00:18:31.991 --> 00:18:38.297 I tried to get out of it, And we agreed that I should, you know, stop my engagement with them. 290 00:18:38.757 --> 00:18:39.257 And 291 00:18:39.876 --> 00:18:41.576 and they sent me off to 292 00:18:42.424 --> 00:18:46.283 I don't know what exactly it's called, but it's it's kind of like customer service. 293 00:18:48.101 --> 00:18:48.601 Loyalty 294 00:18:49.141 --> 00:18:50.201 something. Yeah. 295 00:18:51.789 --> 00:18:54.668 But it took them 2 months to get back to me. 296 00:18:54.668 --> 00:18:58.526 And for those 2 months, they kept on withdrawing money from my account. 297 00:18:58.986 --> 00:19:00.765 Oh. And I think I said about 298 00:19:01.094 --> 00:19:02.234 25 emails 299 00:19:02.934 --> 00:19:05.872 to the 2 people I had contact with during 300 00:19:06.572 --> 00:19:08.191 the few weeks I was with them. 301 00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:10.379 And nothing really happened. 302 00:19:10.379 --> 00:19:17.275 I mean, it took a lot of time and the person who has gotten back to me is is he's very sweet and very nice and I got all my money back and 303 00:19:17.764 --> 00:19:18.904 and and he's 304 00:19:19.324 --> 00:19:24.262 really sorry for what has happened. But for me, it is just so important that 305 00:19:25.219 --> 00:19:29.617 I feel whenever something is not working, that the support is just there. 306 00:19:29.617 --> 00:19:32.676 I don't want to engage with a big company. 307 00:19:33.015 --> 00:19:37.452 Where I don't feel that. I know the people and and where where it feels very distant. 308 00:19:37.452 --> 00:19:39.432 And what that is what happened with Infusionsoft. 309 00:19:39.891 --> 00:19:42.030 - Right. - Yeah. Basically. - Yeah. 310 00:19:43.639 --> 00:19:45.358 Cool. Yeah. So 311 00:19:46.078 --> 00:19:50.576 yeah. It's also like, you also mentioned about, like, Denmark clearly. So I'm from Denmark. 312 00:19:50.675 --> 00:19:55.152 You're from Denmark, some plural started in Denmark. That's that's what we grew out of. 313 00:19:55.152 --> 00:19:56.852 So so, naturally, we're 314 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:59.119 way more known there. 315 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:04.297 And I've I've I discovered too, like, in this in this market, so I'm in New York now. Over here, 316 00:20:05.484 --> 00:20:08.983 like, the the the the kind of standard recommendation 317 00:20:09.323 --> 00:20:11.542 usually is, like, you need Infusionsoft, 318 00:20:11.881 --> 00:20:12.541 for example. 319 00:20:12.830 --> 00:20:18.567 And and no one's heard of Sombrero, but we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna try and change that. 320 00:20:19.586 --> 00:20:21.086 Yeah. Of course. Yes. 321 00:20:22.724 --> 00:20:25.083 So yeah. So you you chose this with she's back. 322 00:20:25.083 --> 00:20:31.100 - Those, like, the the the customer support was I - mean, was that the only thing or was that more that that made you 323 00:20:32.549 --> 00:20:38.966 I I could also see that I really needed to invest a lot of time in in getting this 324 00:20:39.385 --> 00:20:42.343 up and running to to to kind of shift it. 325 00:20:42.343 --> 00:20:47.681 And and because it's a clear, all of it is a kind of integrator. So I need a lot of add ons to 326 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:51.068 to have spaces for my content. And 327 00:20:52.447 --> 00:20:54.307 and in general, it just seemed 328 00:20:54.966 --> 00:20:55.906 very allwhelming 329 00:20:57.084 --> 00:20:58.344 very big. And 330 00:21:00.603 --> 00:21:02.022 when I look at it now, 331 00:21:02.482 --> 00:21:03.741 well, yes, Infusionsoft 332 00:21:04.161 --> 00:21:05.431 can track more, but 333 00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:07.699 I also believe that, 334 00:21:08.398 --> 00:21:10.778 for instance, when I write a text 335 00:21:11.237 --> 00:21:13.256 like a sales page or something, 336 00:21:13.676 --> 00:21:18.503 the words are real in total. But the MST behind is even more important. Right. 337 00:21:19.403 --> 00:21:20.862 So, I mean, Infusionsoft, 338 00:21:21.242 --> 00:21:23.970 it's awesome, and and it can all 339 00:21:24.609 --> 00:21:26.069 source of techy stuff. 340 00:21:26.848 --> 00:21:32.215 But basically, all comes down to me relating to my customer. And I can do that 341 00:21:33.494 --> 00:21:37.712 - very great, and and I can do that with a player. - Right. - And I can still 342 00:21:38.132 --> 00:21:41.250 track a lot of stuff and and and it makes my life easier. 343 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:48.447 And and what I at that time, anyways, if you solve it, it made my life harder. Right. 344 00:21:48.706 --> 00:21:52.594 - That's a really - interesting point because I that's that's some of the things 1 of the things. 345 00:21:52.594 --> 00:21:55.413 Like, when I when I originally created Simparo, 346 00:21:55.912 --> 00:21:58.371 1 of my experiences were 347 00:21:59.229 --> 00:22:00.529 specifically with 348 00:22:01.108 --> 00:22:03.807 some of these American online marketing people 349 00:22:04.467 --> 00:22:08.125 who were using Infusionsoft. And a lot of it was was kinda 350 00:22:09.784 --> 00:22:12.583 Like, as a as a customer experience, not very great. 351 00:22:12.583 --> 00:22:23.597 Like, there are simple things like, you know, they would charge your card without letting you know owe without, you know, you sending you some kind of tax receipt or invoice so that you had something for your accounting, your files. 352 00:22:23.597 --> 00:22:28.733 So every time you know, I have to, like, punch down someone's customer service in order to get that. 353 00:22:28.733 --> 00:22:30.092 It was just, like, super painful. 354 00:22:30.092 --> 00:22:39.247 So that's 1 of the things that I built into Simparo is that we'll it will never charge anyone without emailing them an invoice right away or a receipt so they have it for their files. 355 00:22:39.247 --> 00:22:44.934 And so they know they've been charged instead of, like, discovering it 6 months after that they've been charged every month. 356 00:22:45.074 --> 00:22:46.313 - Those kinds of things. Yeah. 357 00:22:46.313 --> 00:22:52.210 And I think that's that's another American things because because I've actually experienced that with a lot of programs. 358 00:22:52.420 --> 00:22:56.358 Yeah. Actually, I I experienced it with instant sales seminar. I didn't 359 00:22:56.977 --> 00:23:00.236 kind of realize it, but I've paid for it for 8 months without 360 00:23:01.085 --> 00:23:01.724 using it. 361 00:23:01.724 --> 00:23:07.382 But they they did pay me a lot of the money back when I realized it, but she never emailed me anything. 362 00:23:07.481 --> 00:23:10.300 - That's really that's - a crime. That's, like, that should be illegal. 363 00:23:10.510 --> 00:23:13.988 To just charge people that are letting letting them know that. I think that's completely insane. 364 00:23:13.988 --> 00:23:14.488 Yeah. 365 00:23:15.467 --> 00:23:18.385 But also also, like I mean, there's a lot of this 366 00:23:18.985 --> 00:23:22.563 in Internet marketing, there's a lot of stuff that becomes really manipulative 367 00:23:23.662 --> 00:23:24.742 quickly. Right? Mhmm. 368 00:23:24.742 --> 00:23:32.237 Where where I remember actually in the in the early days of Simpara, we had this feature where the checkout form would be 2 screens. 369 00:23:32.237 --> 00:23:34.474 So the first would be your name and your email. 370 00:23:34.474 --> 00:23:38.152 And the second would be all the other stuff and the payment details and whatever. 371 00:23:38.152 --> 00:23:40.971 Because that was a way that, Susan, even if people 372 00:23:41.350 --> 00:23:46.247 ended up not buying. We had their information and we knew that they tried to purchase something. 373 00:23:46.507 --> 00:23:52.563 And then, you know, we would go back and say, hey, we can see that you tried to purchase and you and you never you never completed. 374 00:23:52.563 --> 00:23:53.063 And 375 00:23:55.161 --> 00:24:00.867 and the the feedback that we got from people when we did that was, like, they felt they felt that that was really eerie. 376 00:24:01.047 --> 00:24:03.694 They felt it really like -- Yeah. -- you know, what's going on here? 377 00:24:03.694 --> 00:24:07.532 Are you looking over my like, it was weird. It was, like, they failed intimidated by that. 378 00:24:07.532 --> 00:24:09.632 And so we we were, like, alright. We, you 379 00:24:10.011 --> 00:24:13.829 know, reverted that and and change that and and stuff doing that. 380 00:24:14.689 --> 00:24:18.347 I think, like, it's it's easy to get. I don't I'm not saying that 381 00:24:18.767 --> 00:24:24.644 you have to, but it's easy easy to go overboard and terms of implementing clever marketing strategies 382 00:24:25.383 --> 00:24:26.622 when really that's not 383 00:24:27.222 --> 00:24:28.882 it's not really what does 384 00:24:29.360 --> 00:24:33.618 what works and where what it's about. It like you said, it's like the energy 385 00:24:34.117 --> 00:24:41.623 behind things that you're the things that you're doing are gonna affect people way more and are gonna, you know, make them respond 386 00:24:41.962 --> 00:24:42.462 positively. 387 00:24:43.122 --> 00:24:49.278 It's gonna make it, you know, spread to other people and just like your, you know, your positive lives, if you will, 388 00:24:50.177 --> 00:24:52.195 are the ones that are carrying the the 389 00:24:53.434 --> 00:24:56.992 Exactly. Your business forward. Yeah. And so you don't -- Exactly. 390 00:24:56.992 --> 00:25:00.680 -- there's a lot of stuff that you don't need and because it's not really, like, 391 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.678 like, for the stuff that Simpler doesn't do. 392 00:25:03.678 --> 00:25:11.274 It's in a sense that you could look at it as as doing you a favor because it means you're not wasting your time going down that particular rabbit hole 393 00:25:11.654 --> 00:25:13.753 when it really is about what it's about. 394 00:25:14.892 --> 00:25:15.912 - Yeah. Exactly. 395 00:25:16.550 --> 00:25:17.289 - I agree. 396 00:25:18.349 --> 00:25:20.488 Awesome. I love that. Yeah. 397 00:25:21.587 --> 00:25:22.847 Okay. So 398 00:25:23.786 --> 00:25:29.953 to you, what what will you say is something that like, what what makes simpler special based on what you've experienced? 399 00:25:34.539 --> 00:25:41.036 - Actually, what comes to mind is is is still the customer service, and and you know I am a big fan of your customer service. 400 00:25:43.035 --> 00:25:43.774 But besides, 401 00:25:44.474 --> 00:25:50.331 it's still that it's it's still that it's pretty simple to use even though that it it has grown 402 00:25:52.409 --> 00:25:53.269 way smarter. 403 00:25:53.368 --> 00:25:59.346 It's way way smarter now than it was just a year ago and 2 years ago, but it's still very simple to use and understand 404 00:26:01.194 --> 00:26:02.774 And it has a a very 405 00:26:03.193 --> 00:26:04.933 user friendly interface. 406 00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:09.519 And 407 00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:21.293 since employer, the science of true and self employer is oh, actually, III once I had a when when I had the baby wearing school, I had a web shop, which was in a particular system. 408 00:26:22.352 --> 00:26:25.091 So I also tried to sell my workshops 409 00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:27.519 through that web shop system 410 00:26:27.979 --> 00:26:28.999 because I sold 411 00:26:29.458 --> 00:26:31.637 - slings, you know, baby wearing slings - -- Alright. 412 00:26:32.697 --> 00:26:35.875 - -- - the reps and and baby carriers and stuff. 413 00:26:36.305 --> 00:26:36.805 And 414 00:26:37.704 --> 00:26:38.844 and it was just 415 00:26:39.343 --> 00:26:40.323 such such a hassle. 416 00:26:40.343 --> 00:26:47.599 I needed to kind of then I needed to to kind of search in my system, which people bought that work up, and then I put 417 00:26:48.099 --> 00:26:53.836 all the 8 emails into my email system and and wrote them. And it was very 418 00:26:54.305 --> 00:26:56.484 complicated and it took a lot of steps. 419 00:26:57.103 --> 00:27:04.059 So with supplier, it's just, you know, I have all the products So I can just write, you know, all the people who 420 00:27:04.918 --> 00:27:07.697 has attended workshop a, and I can just 421 00:27:08.415 --> 00:27:18.419 If I'm doing workshop a once again, I can actually just do a auto responder series where I remind people that where it is, for instance, and after the workshop, I can 422 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:24.456 have a call to action where I remind people to apply for a strategy session or whatever. Mhmm. 423 00:27:26.594 --> 00:27:30.772 So it's just yeah. That was a lot of things. That wasn't 1 thing. 424 00:27:31.831 --> 00:27:33.411 - That's alright. Sorry. That's good. 425 00:27:34.150 --> 00:27:35.370 That's good. It's yeah. 426 00:27:35.370 --> 00:27:40.587 I mean, it's also like, I'm I have started some thorough because I was doing teaching myself. 427 00:27:40.607 --> 00:27:48.913 I was doing online courses, teaching spirituality, and marketing times, renewals and all And so so and I'm still doing that business and still loving that business. 428 00:27:48.913 --> 00:27:52.012 So I feel simpler based on that. And I think that informs 429 00:27:52.500 --> 00:28:01.516 So, like, I I like the to, you know, do all these little neat tricks tricks and and tweaks that just make it a little more joyful 430 00:28:01.915 --> 00:28:07.612 and easier to use on a day to day basis because it's really built for that specific type of business. 431 00:28:08.352 --> 00:28:11.080 And also, like, we're we're still, like, tiny tiny. 432 00:28:11.080 --> 00:28:14.238 I don't know how big infusion is, but then they're huge compared to us. 433 00:28:14.238 --> 00:28:17.936 We're like we're 3 people at this point. Right? So I still 434 00:28:18.645 --> 00:28:21.104 see every single thing that it comes in 435 00:28:22.043 --> 00:28:25.430 through the support requests. I see everything. I keep an eye on it. 436 00:28:25.550 --> 00:28:30.248 And sometimes respond even though Christina now is doing the day to day support 437 00:28:30.987 --> 00:28:34.164 response. And then we have 1 developer in addition to me. 438 00:28:34.164 --> 00:28:39.582 So we're we're tiny, but we do our best to to respond to everything. And and and really, like 439 00:28:40.002 --> 00:28:41.741 like you said before, also implement 440 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.999 things that that our customers suggest. 441 00:28:44.999 --> 00:28:50.795 That's in fact, this is like 1 of the big joys in my life is co creating this with people like you. 442 00:28:50.995 --> 00:28:57.772 Like, you you have great ideas and I I can see exactly how it fits into my vision and then we just go execute on it if we can. 443 00:28:59.279 --> 00:28:59.899 - Yeah. Yeah. 444 00:29:02.118 --> 00:29:02.618 - Cool. 445 00:29:03.717 --> 00:29:04.217 So 446 00:29:05.875 --> 00:29:11.572 In terms of the future, do you have, like, is there anything in particular that you would love to see in Zimblero in the future? 447 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.178 - I would like to see some more 448 00:29:17.958 --> 00:29:19.097 tracking. Yeah. 449 00:29:19.317 --> 00:29:26.903 Not in in making it because I think as you just told me, you can you can get way too much and it's really not 450 00:29:27.282 --> 00:29:28.902 that that makes the difference 451 00:29:29.441 --> 00:29:29.941 difference. 452 00:29:31.570 --> 00:29:33.889 But I would like to be able to 453 00:29:36.288 --> 00:29:36.988 for instance, 454 00:29:37.847 --> 00:29:41.804 if if I have a lot of people who never open my emails. 455 00:29:42.983 --> 00:29:46.962 I want an easy way just to get them off my list, for instance. 456 00:29:48.670 --> 00:29:52.008 So that kind of tracking. Mhmm. So it can actually I would easier 457 00:29:52.548 --> 00:29:54.865 easier I I could fill through my email list. 458 00:29:56.024 --> 00:29:59.323 And for instance, if if people don't open 459 00:30:00.702 --> 00:30:02.600 the auto responder with my 460 00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:05.499 free report or my video. 461 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:12.255 I would like just to have a sequence where I email them email it to them again for instance. 462 00:30:12.695 --> 00:30:15.914 Reminding them that they actually opted in for this. Right. 463 00:30:16.493 --> 00:30:17.473 Just, you know, 464 00:30:17.932 --> 00:30:22.060 not too complicated, but just small stuff like that would be really awesome. Yeah. 465 00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:25.458 - Okay. That I'd I'd - say that's definitely on the road map. 466 00:30:25.458 --> 00:30:28.997 It's some it's definitely something that we're looking at and and or interested 467 00:30:29.416 --> 00:30:32.085 - in in doing looking into. - Yeah. 468 00:30:35.143 --> 00:30:38.602 And to make it because I like, you know, the landing pages. 469 00:30:39.421 --> 00:30:40.561 I've I just had 470 00:30:41.100 --> 00:30:49.405 person helped me to to just adjust a a little about the visual stuff so I can actually make really beautiful learning pages now. 471 00:30:49.925 --> 00:30:51.984 So now I just need to put 472 00:30:53.363 --> 00:30:57.221 converting pixels into it. I'm not really sure if it's possible. 473 00:30:57.580 --> 00:30:59.319 - Oh, for the length of pages first. 474 00:31:00.378 --> 00:31:04.177 Oh, that. Okay. Yeah. Oh, a lot of yeah. So I think that should be possible. 475 00:31:04.177 --> 00:31:06.034 If not, let's let us we'll figure that out. 476 00:31:06.034 --> 00:31:08.773 That seems to be something a lot of people have asked about recently. 477 00:31:10.192 --> 00:31:12.691 So we'll we'll make that happen. Also, like, 478 00:31:13.231 --> 00:31:18.208 I'd love to hear to see a link to your landing pages than what you did to it to 479 00:31:19.307 --> 00:31:20.687 make it even more beautiful. 480 00:31:21.147 --> 00:31:24.834 And if there's something that we we can learn from that and implement generally. 481 00:31:25.294 --> 00:31:29.092 - I'd love to I'd love to see that. - It's just actually it was just 482 00:31:29.811 --> 00:31:35.748 because I I like the the the base of it is just colors. So it matched my brand. Oh, basically. 483 00:31:36.007 --> 00:31:38.755 - Great. - Yeah. - So it's not that complicated. - Okay. Yeah. 484 00:31:38.795 --> 00:31:42.613 And it's it's, again, something that we could make me we could make a little simpler 485 00:31:43.273 --> 00:31:45.532 maybe to change colors to your scheme. Alright. 486 00:31:46.151 --> 00:31:48.091 Cool. Anything else that comes to mind? 487 00:31:54.157 --> 00:31:54.797 No. No. 488 00:31:54.797 --> 00:32:01.263 - I think - that's that's what I've been not missing because it's not something that you know, it does it's not annoying. 489 00:32:01.263 --> 00:32:06.480 It's just something that would be awesome that if if you can do well that way. Yeah. Cool. 490 00:32:07.719 --> 00:32:08.659 - Alright. So 491 00:32:09.159 --> 00:32:12.057 what would your recommendation be to someone who's considering 492 00:32:12.477 --> 00:32:17.464 choosing between Simparo and Infusionsoft? And why would you you know, why would you 493 00:32:18.124 --> 00:32:19.823 recommend what you recommend ending? 494 00:32:23.401 --> 00:32:27.658 - I think that they should really consider what their needs are. 495 00:32:29.277 --> 00:32:30.377 Do they want 496 00:32:32.904 --> 00:32:34.244 to be close 497 00:32:34.743 --> 00:32:39.681 to the the customer service. Do do they want, you know, fast response? Do they 498 00:32:43.209 --> 00:32:47.747 do they want to be able to use it themselves to understand what's happening? 499 00:32:48.326 --> 00:32:50.306 I mean, I think that Infusionsoft 500 00:32:51.265 --> 00:32:57.042 is definitely more advanced, but is also way more complicated and way more time consuming. 501 00:32:57.182 --> 00:33:00.850 Of course, you can have people handle it, but still it it is 502 00:33:01.370 --> 00:33:02.349 way more complicated. 503 00:33:03.648 --> 00:33:05.368 So I would still, you know 504 00:33:05.967 --> 00:33:07.726 because people don't know some clearer. 505 00:33:07.726 --> 00:33:16.560 So I would ask them really to look into it and have a talk with you or really look at your page and and see if it meet meets their needs. 506 00:33:18.399 --> 00:33:18.899 Yeah. 507 00:33:22.157 --> 00:33:22.657 - Yeah. 508 00:33:24.676 --> 00:33:25.975 - And that that 509 00:33:28.814 --> 00:33:33.711 Well, basically, simpler has made my life easier, and I didn't see that happening with Infusionsoft. 510 00:33:34.051 --> 00:33:40.237 And I think that that is what most entrepreneurs is out to do because they they want to save time. 511 00:33:40.377 --> 00:33:40.877 Right. 512 00:33:41.217 --> 00:33:45.094 Of course, they want to save money as well, but but time is still 513 00:33:45.854 --> 00:33:50.072 it's way more sensitive for me. I mean, I don't mind paying extra 514 00:33:50.771 --> 00:33:55.848 for basically anything. As long as it works. Right. You have to save some time. 515 00:33:55.848 --> 00:33:58.627 - Because for you, like, some so, like, in terms of cost, 516 00:33:59.126 --> 00:34:05.493 simplera starts at a hundred dollars a month whereas infusion starts of 300 or even more if you want the membership 517 00:34:06.073 --> 00:34:07.752 site feature included. Right? 518 00:34:07.752 --> 00:34:11.730 But you for you but then, like, the difference in pricing is that Simparo 519 00:34:12.390 --> 00:34:17.787 has it, you know, also you pay a percentage of your of your revenue starting at 2 percent and then falling. 520 00:34:17.787 --> 00:34:20.726 Right? So for you, it's actually more expensive to be in simplero. 521 00:34:21.934 --> 00:34:23.953 Yeah. Then then infusion. 522 00:34:25.373 --> 00:34:29.151 But for and you and still you prefer some flower, which makes me grateful. 523 00:34:30.859 --> 00:34:34.358 But for most people starting out, it would be they they would be way cheaper 524 00:34:35.017 --> 00:34:36.317 for them -- Yeah. -- on Simparro. 525 00:34:37.414 --> 00:34:40.633 - Yeah. And also a lot of people, they don't go with Infusionsoft 526 00:34:41.293 --> 00:34:45.171 due to this data packed package because it is the 300000 527 00:34:45.171 --> 00:34:47.230 dollars they need to put down 528 00:34:48.409 --> 00:34:50.548 300 And that's a big top up. Right. 529 00:34:51.047 --> 00:34:55.815 Oh, yeah. Sorry. 605000 530 00:34:55.815 --> 00:34:56.834 dollars. Yes. 531 00:34:57.694 --> 00:34:58.194 Yeah. 532 00:34:59.293 --> 00:35:02.391 - Yeah. Yeah. - Only 3000. Yep. 533 00:35:02.830 --> 00:35:06.568 - I also feel like feel like a lot of people feel like they like, 534 00:35:07.028 --> 00:35:16.113 because they don't know what they need or what they're gonna need or, like, what's you know, and they so they wanna just make sure that they have, like, the most expensive, fancy, 535 00:35:16.452 --> 00:35:21.289 you know, so their future secure blah blah, whatnot. Kind of thing. And what you're saying is, like, 536 00:35:21.629 --> 00:35:23.928 this is, like, you don't need that. This is a 537 00:35:24.747 --> 00:35:25.687 a great choice. 538 00:35:26.935 --> 00:35:28.614 - It's gonna be cheaper here. - Yeah. 539 00:35:28.614 --> 00:35:34.392 And look at it as as I mean, I look at it as it's the system that needs to just support you. 540 00:35:34.451 --> 00:35:38.059 - It it won't save your business. It won't make your business. - Right. 541 00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:41.298 - But it will definitely support you. And it fuses itself. 542 00:35:41.298 --> 00:35:44.396 I mean, it can make a business out of a crappy business. 543 00:35:44.525 --> 00:35:52.062 - Anyways, I mean, you still - need to - have a proper you still need to work with the energy behind your words and and all that stuff. 544 00:35:52.201 --> 00:35:53.821 I mean yeah. Yeah. 545 00:35:54.130 --> 00:35:54.870 Yeah. Yeah. 546 00:35:54.930 --> 00:36:00.747 - That's what - we tell people to is, like, it it has all everything that you need to build a really great business, Simclaro. 547 00:36:01.265 --> 00:36:05.923 And it doesn't and and it doesn't have, like, all this stuff that you don't really need. 548 00:36:06.502 --> 00:36:10.719 I mean, that's that's what we're trying to aim for. Just have everything you need. 549 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.419 And, like, we have so many people 550 00:36:12.998 --> 00:36:15.257 with great great businesses like yours. 551 00:36:16.196 --> 00:36:24.692 So we know for a fact that it has everything that you could buy possibly the earth and not everything that you could possibly need, but everything that you actually do need to create a wonderful business. 552 00:36:24.692 --> 00:36:29.430 - And for for instance, the whole, you you know, I can host all my 553 00:36:29.770 --> 00:36:31.429 sound clips and my videos 554 00:36:31.808 --> 00:36:33.208 as simple as well -- Right. 555 00:36:33.208 --> 00:36:38.026 - -- - which makes it easy both to share content, but also if I just need to share 556 00:36:39.015 --> 00:36:40.194 sound clip or 557 00:36:40.774 --> 00:36:45.752 - recording or something, I can do that easily -- Mhmm. - -- - without me needing to use 558 00:36:46.091 --> 00:36:46.591 Vimeo 559 00:36:48.540 --> 00:36:55.315 - any other system. So it can actually I I don't need to use anything but simply basic. Yeah. - Yeah. 560 00:36:55.515 --> 00:36:58.334 - That's also something that we're aiming for. - Yeah. 561 00:36:59.233 --> 00:37:00.453 Wonderful. Okay. 562 00:37:01.752 --> 00:37:04.010 - Alright. So to round this up, 563 00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:09.668 working people learn more about you and and what you do and and 564 00:37:10.167 --> 00:37:11.925 whether it's in Danish or in English, 565 00:37:12.645 --> 00:37:14.424 Where can they go to find out more? 566 00:37:16.283 --> 00:37:17.703 - I have a webpage, 567 00:37:18.642 --> 00:37:19.142 Caroline. 568 00:37:19.901 --> 00:37:23.519 - Bjork - -- Alright. -- - dot com. - Dot com. - Is that an English? 569 00:37:25.178 --> 00:37:29.385 - It is in Danish. - It's in Danish. - Yep. Okay. - We're gonna - use Google Translates. 570 00:37:29.525 --> 00:37:34.662 - So if you're out - there Yeah. And, actually, I do have American readers on my newsletter. 571 00:37:35.162 --> 00:37:37.581 Let just use a Google Translates to 572 00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:40.210 Because yeah. Because I have a 573 00:37:41.629 --> 00:37:47.885 I have a really good relationship with my tribe, and so I have people who who works to know what I write them and 574 00:37:48.344 --> 00:37:50.804 what I had to to create this relationship. 575 00:37:51.743 --> 00:37:52.523 So, yeah, 576 00:37:54.810 --> 00:37:58.169 - Yeah. I know. I mean, I've been following you for for a while here. 577 00:37:58.169 --> 00:38:02.307 For a distance, you've also worked. You've worked 1 of my 1 on 1 with my wife. 578 00:38:03.385 --> 00:38:06.884 So so we've been in each other's fears for a long time. 579 00:38:06.983 --> 00:38:10.840 And, like, what you've done over the past couple of years is just like, phenomenal. 580 00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:13.439 It's really it's been so great to see. 581 00:38:13.939 --> 00:38:14.439 And 582 00:38:14.778 --> 00:38:16.797 and especially, like, the way that you 583 00:38:17.515 --> 00:38:19.175 you've really managed to, like, empower 584 00:38:20.234 --> 00:38:24.412 other people in a way that that I love. Like, you're you're you're like 585 00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:27.759 totally sincere, you're totally, like, earnest, 586 00:38:29.018 --> 00:38:34.765 your your desire to to help people and and the fact, like, then the results that you create is is really great. 587 00:38:34.806 --> 00:38:35.585 Really amazing. 588 00:38:36.924 --> 00:38:38.584 - Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. 589 00:38:40.123 --> 00:38:44.751 Yeah. I think my webpage and I I'm also found on Facebook as well. 590 00:38:45.390 --> 00:38:47.250 It's Carolina, and then Bjorg 591 00:38:48.269 --> 00:38:53.286 - is an old with the 2 dots on top. - Oh, you do that? - But you probably can do that working. 592 00:38:54.715 --> 00:38:57.494 Yeah. You know, you can probably write it. 593 00:38:58.074 --> 00:39:00.733 - No. Is that - in the URL on on Facebook? 594 00:39:01.152 --> 00:39:02.052 Or is it 595 00:39:02.841 --> 00:39:06.139 - or is - it No. Of course, it's not it's not it's just 596 00:39:06.799 --> 00:39:11.395 facebook dot com slash Carolina burex. With a nest because someone 597 00:39:13.854 --> 00:39:16.872 - someone has the other 1 without this. - Oh, boy. 598 00:39:17.410 --> 00:39:19.349 And we're just not using it. 599 00:39:20.889 --> 00:39:21.708 Shit. Okay. 600 00:39:22.288 --> 00:39:25.185 - Alright. I'll I'll answer the the Instagram profile. 601 00:39:25.885 --> 00:39:27.065 What oh, really? 602 00:39:27.444 --> 00:39:27.944 Shit. 603 00:39:28.883 --> 00:39:29.383 Yeah. 604 00:39:30.363 --> 00:39:32.182 - Bummer. I had there was this 605 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:35.880 photographer, this is complete 606 00:39:36.219 --> 00:39:42.756 side note, but there's a photographer and or who's who changed his name to something that had, like, 0 Google hits and, like, 0 607 00:39:43.296 --> 00:39:46.334 anything so that he could be the only 1 with that name. 608 00:39:46.334 --> 00:39:49.953 Just he did it for SEO for for search engine purposes. Got 609 00:39:50.372 --> 00:39:52.100 - it. - Yes. Oh, that's interesting. 610 00:39:52.520 --> 00:39:54.139 - I think - it's cool. That's brilliant. 611 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.746 Yeah. No numerology there. Just pure pure pure Google juice. 612 00:40:00.705 --> 00:40:02.844 - That sounds awesome. - Yes. Yeah. 613 00:40:03.264 --> 00:40:04.203 Alright. Carolina, 614 00:40:04.663 --> 00:40:06.722 such a pleasure speaking with you today. 615 00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:09.130 - Thank you very very - much. 616 00:40:10.469 --> 00:40:10.969 - Yeah. 617 00:40:11.468 --> 00:40:15.606 Are you gonna be like, is there a way for people to ask you questions about anything? 618 00:40:15.666 --> 00:40:21.623 - I don't wanna invade your your time. - No. They they can definitely email me at hello -- Mhmm. 619 00:40:21.623 --> 00:40:23.282 -- then at 620 00:40:23.861 --> 00:40:24.951 kelana yaark 621 00:40:25.310 --> 00:40:26.570 dot com. Okay. 622 00:40:26.910 --> 00:40:27.410 They're 623 00:40:27.949 --> 00:40:32.767 very welcome to email me. If they have any questions regarding using superior or 624 00:40:33.785 --> 00:40:40.402 not anything else, but, you know, I didn't think that's relevant to my business. I was through yeah. 625 00:40:40.582 --> 00:40:43.930 - I was like, awesome. - That's very very generous if Thank you very much. 626 00:40:44.470 --> 00:40:44.970 Alright. 627 00:40:45.389 --> 00:40:50.107 - Well, thank you. Have a wonderful evening. Thanks. In Denmark. - You too. And we'll talk again soon. 628 00:40:50.107 --> 00:40:53.116 Thank you. Alright. Yeah. We will. Thank you. Bye bye.