WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.480 - How much money do you wanna make from this business? - Between 5 to 8 k a month. 2 00:00:04.560 --> 00:00:11.440 - Why 5 to 8,000 a month? Why not 50 to 80,000 a month? - I just felt a voice say, don't be greedy. 3 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:13.200 - Like, why not mail you a million dollars a year? 4 00:00:13.200 --> 00:00:16.775 - What just came to me, don't dare say it because what if it doesn't happen? 5 00:00:16.775 --> 00:00:20.695 - What was your relationship with money growing up? - Not good. 6 00:00:20.855 --> 00:00:24.294 - Your subconscious mind's gonna make sure that that money stays away. 7 00:00:24.294 --> 00:00:29.350 - Money's constantly in motion somewhere. You just gotta - put a - cup where it's flowing. 8 00:00:29.350 --> 00:00:34.630 Welcome everybody to another episode of Recode Your Mind with Calvin Corelli. 9 00:00:34.870 --> 00:00:39.430 I'm here today with Kirsten, and I am so excited to 10 00:00:40.035 --> 00:00:42.114 learn more about you and your business 11 00:00:42.594 --> 00:00:45.795 and what challenge you wanna work on today. So start by introducing 12 00:00:46.034 --> 00:00:50.914 who you are, what you do so people have have some context, then we can get into the challenge. 13 00:00:51.155 --> 00:00:53.315 - Thanks for having me on, Calvin. 14 00:00:53.890 --> 00:00:56.610 So I'm Kirsten D'Andrea Hollander. 15 00:00:57.010 --> 00:01:02.610 I've been a professor of fine arts and film for over thirty years, 16 00:01:03.650 --> 00:01:06.610 and I'm planning to retire in three years. 17 00:01:08.065 --> 00:01:11.425 And I am preparing for the next iteration 18 00:01:11.425 --> 00:01:13.985 starting to build that iteration now. 19 00:01:14.785 --> 00:01:15.425 I 20 00:01:15.985 --> 00:01:18.065 with my husband, Scott Hollander, 21 00:01:18.065 --> 00:01:19.185 we founded 22 00:01:19.660 --> 00:01:22.940 approximately three years ago, the Creative School 23 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:24.620 for Integration, 24 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:30.620 which is a coherent field of nonjudgment. 25 00:01:31.020 --> 00:01:37.634 It's a space for anyone who wants to be creative to be met where they're at and get support with them. 26 00:01:38.994 --> 00:01:41.795 - I love it. That's beautiful. And so 27 00:01:42.195 --> 00:01:45.715 what does it mean for you to retire? Are you do you have a job 28 00:01:46.049 --> 00:01:50.930 - besides your business right now? - I'm a college professor. - Still? Okay. Got it. Understood. 29 00:01:51.490 --> 00:01:54.609 So you wanna retire for that but continue doing business after 30 00:01:54.930 --> 00:01:56.609 - the Yes. I 31 00:01:57.329 --> 00:01:58.610 I'm meant to be a teacher 32 00:01:59.205 --> 00:02:00.325 and a guide. 33 00:02:00.645 --> 00:02:03.765 This is my life's work. I've really enjoyed 34 00:02:04.565 --> 00:02:09.605 teaching my undergraduate and graduate students, but I am feeling this call 35 00:02:10.085 --> 00:02:11.925 to expand in this new way. 36 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:14.740 I also 37 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:16.740 feel very 38 00:02:17.140 --> 00:02:18.340 inspired 39 00:02:18.980 --> 00:02:20.740 and committed to 40 00:02:22.980 --> 00:02:25.380 making an education and creativity 41 00:02:26.945 --> 00:02:27.825 extremely 42 00:02:28.705 --> 00:02:29.745 accessible. 43 00:02:30.225 --> 00:02:32.625 Mhmm. And a big part of that is 44 00:02:33.425 --> 00:02:36.145 helping folks to not feel judged 45 00:02:36.465 --> 00:02:39.425 and to move past fear and to enjoy 46 00:02:40.890 --> 00:02:42.330 what flows through them. 47 00:02:42.810 --> 00:02:45.050 - Yeah. Yeah. Wonderful. 48 00:02:45.130 --> 00:02:47.050 And so the creativity 49 00:02:47.050 --> 00:02:50.010 that you're speaking to specific is that specifically, like, 50 00:02:50.650 --> 00:02:53.290 you said fine arts and film, or is it like 51 00:02:54.225 --> 00:02:59.745 - Yes. I I have a kind of an interesting continuum because I I draw and paint, 52 00:03:00.145 --> 00:03:03.585 and I also make documentary films most mostly 53 00:03:04.785 --> 00:03:06.385 in the social justice 54 00:03:08.370 --> 00:03:09.330 arena. 55 00:03:11.090 --> 00:03:11.730 And 56 00:03:12.450 --> 00:03:14.050 as someone who 57 00:03:14.370 --> 00:03:16.130 in the filmmaking world, 58 00:03:16.610 --> 00:03:18.290 someone who's involved with, 59 00:03:18.530 --> 00:03:20.210 you know, the high technology. 60 00:03:20.530 --> 00:03:23.965 I'm not a coder like yourself. I I don't understand 61 00:03:24.365 --> 00:03:33.725 those kind of inner workings of the computers and such, but I have my hands on all different kinds of cameras and lenses and editing software. 62 00:03:33.725 --> 00:03:34.845 And I 63 00:03:34.845 --> 00:03:35.965 feel really grateful 64 00:03:37.140 --> 00:03:40.420 to have access and to use all that as an art form. 65 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:43.220 - Mhmm. - But it also has 66 00:03:43.540 --> 00:03:46.180 reminded me and helped me remember 67 00:03:46.819 --> 00:03:47.540 how 68 00:03:47.780 --> 00:03:49.860 how important our analog 69 00:03:50.019 --> 00:03:51.939 experiences are with our creativity. 70 00:03:52.565 --> 00:03:53.365 Mhmm. 71 00:03:53.445 --> 00:03:54.965 You know? So, like, one 72 00:03:55.365 --> 00:04:01.205 of the primary things we do at Creative School for Integration is is work with a process 73 00:04:01.845 --> 00:04:04.005 that we're calling embodied mark making. 74 00:04:05.079 --> 00:04:06.520 And it 75 00:04:06.760 --> 00:04:08.600 is a process that helps you 76 00:04:09.480 --> 00:04:10.840 feel embodied, 77 00:04:11.640 --> 00:04:15.880 and it can be worked with with your inner vision. But with the outer vision, 78 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.839 if you're called to express outwardly, 79 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.415 we're working with really basic things like a piece of charcoal 80 00:04:22.895 --> 00:04:27.855 - Mhmm. - Which is basically a piece of burnt wood and allowing yourself to express 81 00:04:28.255 --> 00:04:29.935 your feelings, experiences 82 00:04:30.335 --> 00:04:31.375 in the moment 83 00:04:31.855 --> 00:04:33.775 through something as simple as a mark. 84 00:04:34.380 --> 00:04:35.260 - Yeah. - Beautiful. 85 00:04:36.460 --> 00:04:38.220 I love this. Okay. Wonderful. 86 00:04:39.820 --> 00:04:43.180 And so are you gonna retire in Costa Rica? Is that the idea? 87 00:04:43.660 --> 00:04:44.940 - Yeah. So I 88 00:04:46.060 --> 00:04:47.260 I love Baltimore. 89 00:04:48.245 --> 00:04:50.725 I've been teaching there. It feels like forever. 90 00:04:51.604 --> 00:04:53.044 Raised my son there. 91 00:04:53.685 --> 00:04:55.925 I do think I'm called to be here. 92 00:04:57.604 --> 00:04:59.845 I turned 60 this past year, 93 00:05:00.565 --> 00:05:02.004 and my body 94 00:05:02.460 --> 00:05:03.500 is just performing 95 00:05:04.460 --> 00:05:06.300 preferring a warmer climate. 96 00:05:06.539 --> 00:05:07.180 Mhmm. 97 00:05:07.580 --> 00:05:08.460 But I 98 00:05:08.620 --> 00:05:12.780 I didn't even know that this this where I'm sitting right now just called to me. 99 00:05:12.780 --> 00:05:17.580 I'm actually sitting in the house of the the woman who will be my neighbor. 100 00:05:19.845 --> 00:05:22.405 I didn't know that this is what I was looking for. 101 00:05:22.645 --> 00:05:27.925 I think that just because I was open and it just felt like the right thing to initiate. 102 00:05:28.485 --> 00:05:33.000 - Yeah. Yep. Very wonderful. Super. - Yep. - So okay. So what is yeah. 103 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.000 So what is the challenge that you wanna work on today? 104 00:05:35.880 --> 00:05:36.920 - I 105 00:05:40.760 --> 00:05:41.960 full heartedly 106 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:44.920 believe in what I'm up to 107 00:05:45.735 --> 00:05:47.655 with this creative school. I 108 00:05:50.215 --> 00:05:52.055 feel the challenges 109 00:05:55.895 --> 00:06:00.375 I don't know if it's the generation I was born into. I was born at 65, 110 00:06:01.760 --> 00:06:02.880 which is a very 111 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:04.720 tumultuous time. 112 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.280 But I feel like I 113 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.920 maybe grew up in an age where 114 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.080 in order to really give and provide, 115 00:06:17.585 --> 00:06:19.745 you that you would have impact, 116 00:06:21.025 --> 00:06:23.905 but not necessarily the income. 117 00:06:24.544 --> 00:06:26.065 - Mhmm. - You know? So 118 00:06:26.544 --> 00:06:30.785 I don't wanna speak for all women from my generation, but what I have found 119 00:06:31.580 --> 00:06:34.940 is I love what I'm doing and 120 00:06:35.020 --> 00:06:36.060 it could be, 121 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:41.100 you know, providing a talk at a film festival. It could be working with my students. 122 00:06:44.605 --> 00:06:47.485 It could be launching this new business. 123 00:06:48.525 --> 00:06:49.805 But it seems like 124 00:06:52.205 --> 00:06:53.325 how do I say it? 125 00:06:53.325 --> 00:06:57.965 It's almost like you do what you love and then you go do your other job to make sure there's some income 126 00:06:58.870 --> 00:07:01.750 so that you can support to do what you love. 127 00:07:01.990 --> 00:07:07.830 And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I do think there could maybe be a ceiling on, 128 00:07:08.550 --> 00:07:12.150 you know, where things turn around and you can put your full focus 129 00:07:12.555 --> 00:07:14.395 into what you're really called 130 00:07:15.035 --> 00:07:16.155 to be doing 131 00:07:16.315 --> 00:07:20.795 in support of yourself and support of others, but also be earning an income. 132 00:07:21.354 --> 00:07:21.914 And 133 00:07:24.690 --> 00:07:27.170 I like to talk sometimes about 134 00:07:27.250 --> 00:07:27.890 the 135 00:07:28.770 --> 00:07:29.410 the 136 00:07:31.650 --> 00:07:34.770 kinda like the archetype of the starving artist. 137 00:07:35.330 --> 00:07:39.305 - Mhmm. - And I'm always reminding my students that's that's not who we are. 138 00:07:39.305 --> 00:07:41.065 That's not who we're aiming to be, 139 00:07:41.945 --> 00:07:45.225 that we all deserve to be be paid well 140 00:07:45.544 --> 00:07:47.145 for what we love doing. 141 00:07:47.465 --> 00:07:48.025 And, 142 00:07:48.505 --> 00:07:50.585 you know, there's also the peace 143 00:07:51.430 --> 00:07:53.030 that society 144 00:07:53.430 --> 00:07:56.630 sees certain roles in certain ways, and teachers, 145 00:07:57.190 --> 00:07:58.229 educators 146 00:07:58.229 --> 00:07:58.949 are 147 00:07:59.830 --> 00:08:00.470 historically 148 00:08:01.110 --> 00:08:04.229 that might change in this very moment as we're speaking. But, historically, 149 00:08:06.635 --> 00:08:08.235 teachers are underpaid 150 00:08:08.875 --> 00:08:10.315 - Mhmm. - In many cultures. 151 00:08:10.395 --> 00:08:15.035 - Yeah. - Mhmm. - Definitely in The United States where where I live. Yeah. 152 00:08:15.675 --> 00:08:16.875 - Got it. Okay. 153 00:08:20.090 --> 00:08:22.970 So are you open to a reframe 154 00:08:23.370 --> 00:08:26.570 - Yes. On that? Cool. - Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. 155 00:08:27.370 --> 00:08:29.050 - Let's do it. Okay. So 156 00:08:31.770 --> 00:08:36.665 you you talk about, like yeah. So the the words that you're using. Right? Like, 157 00:08:38.025 --> 00:08:42.825 you deserve to get paid well for what you love doing. 158 00:08:45.730 --> 00:08:48.850 Is that true? Is that, like, an absolute truth? 159 00:08:50.370 --> 00:08:51.890 - Oh, that's a great question. 160 00:08:58.185 --> 00:08:58.905 Well, 161 00:08:59.305 --> 00:09:00.905 when you frame the question, 162 00:09:01.225 --> 00:09:02.985 what comes to me is 163 00:09:05.385 --> 00:09:07.145 hopefully what you love doing 164 00:09:07.545 --> 00:09:08.905 is in support 165 00:09:09.865 --> 00:09:10.985 of 166 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:13.600 healthy nursing, 167 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.240 you know, activity and growth. 168 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:16.800 I 169 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:20.880 will say 170 00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:23.200 without a shadow of a doubt, 171 00:09:25.325 --> 00:09:28.765 as someone who's been a college professor for over thirty years, 172 00:09:29.964 --> 00:09:32.685 I do really believe that I live 173 00:09:32.845 --> 00:09:41.250 I I real I truly do believe that I had done that in a society that would have valued what I was up to more. 174 00:09:41.570 --> 00:09:42.450 And then that, 175 00:09:42.850 --> 00:09:48.130 you know, I'll just be really frank that I would have more money in a retirement fund by now. 176 00:09:49.935 --> 00:09:54.175 And I'm watching the thoughts as I'm trying to answer your question. 177 00:09:54.735 --> 00:09:58.495 And I just felt like a voice say, don't be greedy. You know? 178 00:09:58.495 --> 00:10:03.615 So that's probably where the the work is. So for me to say that I 179 00:10:04.160 --> 00:10:05.840 and the work that I'm doing, 180 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:10.160 that have cultivated my entire life with great presence 181 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:13.760 - Mhmm. - I really do wanna see and come with the impact 182 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.640 that 183 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:16.480 the work. 184 00:10:17.805 --> 00:10:22.125 Well, I believe the work comes through us, so I don't own it egoically. But 185 00:10:22.445 --> 00:10:24.685 I would like more support that way 186 00:10:25.085 --> 00:10:27.085 because because then I 187 00:10:28.605 --> 00:10:30.525 could take care of myself more. 188 00:10:30.525 --> 00:10:37.990 And I can if I'm taking care of myself more and all the good things, I can reach more people as well. 189 00:10:38.149 --> 00:10:40.630 - Personally, I love eating 190 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:43.430 tacos and lamb gyros. 191 00:10:43.910 --> 00:10:48.215 And I don't know that I deserve to get paid well for doing that. 192 00:10:48.535 --> 00:10:51.575 - Got it. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. - My 193 00:10:51.575 --> 00:10:53.495 point is my point is just to to 194 00:10:55.655 --> 00:10:59.750 say that what we get paid for in this society 195 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:03.350 is things that other people value 196 00:11:03.910 --> 00:11:07.110 - Yes. - To the point where they wanna give us their money for it. 197 00:11:07.830 --> 00:11:12.550 Like, that's it. Right? There's no judgment there. There's no deserving, not deserving. 198 00:11:12.905 --> 00:11:17.305 This is just the mechanics of it. And it's kind of a good world to live in. Right? 199 00:11:17.305 --> 00:11:21.545 Because, like, you have the money you have, and it's up to you to decide 200 00:11:21.785 --> 00:11:24.745 what's worth it for you to exchange that money 201 00:11:25.280 --> 00:11:26.480 in exchange for. 202 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:29.360 Right? Some people like a pumpkin spice latte, 203 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.000 and some people like stocks, 204 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.800 and some people like this house, and people like that house, this food, that food, whatever. 205 00:11:36.800 --> 00:11:45.155 But it's kinda awesome to live in a world where, like, you get to choose versus, like, in the Soviet Union where there's some, like, some, like, 206 00:11:45.555 --> 00:11:49.955 - plan commission that had to decide where all this stuff had to go. Right? - Yeah. 207 00:11:50.035 --> 00:11:56.139 - And then and then it's just a matter of, like, okay. What choices do I make to play this game? 208 00:11:56.139 --> 00:11:57.740 What can I provide 209 00:11:58.139 --> 00:11:59.339 that people 210 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:01.100 perceive 211 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:04.140 as having a value that they wanna exchange money for? 212 00:12:04.540 --> 00:12:06.620 And that's a game that we can learn to master. 213 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:07.740 Mhmm. 214 00:12:07.899 --> 00:12:08.620 Yeah? 215 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:09.899 - Yes. 216 00:12:10.835 --> 00:12:12.755 I believe I'm following you. 217 00:12:13.155 --> 00:12:14.675 Yeah. But the 218 00:12:15.395 --> 00:12:16.835 the word deserve, 219 00:12:17.395 --> 00:12:20.355 when I heard you speak that word back to me, 220 00:12:22.355 --> 00:12:24.595 I felt a little peace inside 221 00:12:25.315 --> 00:12:25.795 still. 222 00:12:26.430 --> 00:12:28.350 Mhmm. You know that's oh, 223 00:12:29.950 --> 00:12:32.030 well, let's back up a second. I 224 00:12:34.510 --> 00:12:38.110 I would love to have a good good taco right now too. 225 00:12:39.855 --> 00:12:44.095 So I don't deserve necessarily to be paid for eating that taco. 226 00:12:44.895 --> 00:12:47.615 But I'd like to be in a place where I could 227 00:12:48.495 --> 00:12:54.654 - have access to the taco and afford the taco. Right? - Yeah. - Yeah. So Totally. Yeah. 228 00:12:55.400 --> 00:12:56.200 But 229 00:12:57.160 --> 00:13:02.120 there I do feel a little something around the word deserve or deserving. 230 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.560 - Mhmm. - I think it's still that old thing. Well, if you're really 231 00:13:07.814 --> 00:13:08.935 in the world 232 00:13:09.495 --> 00:13:15.014 - Mhmm. - To model self care and to help instill that and others through creativity, 233 00:13:16.694 --> 00:13:20.055 I still feel this tiny little voice, but are you deserving? 234 00:13:20.055 --> 00:13:20.375 You know? 235 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:26.400 - Are you deserving to receive back for offering that? - Exactly. Yeah. And so so yeah. 236 00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:32.320 So let's talk about that. You you mentioned also, like, the the the voice that said don't be greedy. 237 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:32.800 So 238 00:13:33.135 --> 00:13:39.695 - Yes. What was what was your relationship with money growing up? - Not good. - Imagine you had 239 00:13:40.255 --> 00:13:41.455 a $100,000,000 240 00:13:41.455 --> 00:13:43.215 in a retirement account. 241 00:13:43.295 --> 00:13:43.935 - Right. 242 00:13:44.415 --> 00:13:46.255 - How's that feeling in your nervous system? 243 00:13:46.920 --> 00:13:49.240 - I'm feeling two nervous systems. 244 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:50.120 - Mhmm. The 245 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:52.520 - adult woman 246 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:59.480 is absolutely thrilled because it's always been been my dream to be a philanthropist. 247 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:00.600 Like, I just have 248 00:14:01.334 --> 00:14:03.095 so many things. 249 00:14:03.735 --> 00:14:05.574 But that young woman in me 250 00:14:06.375 --> 00:14:09.415 let me check the nervous system of the young woman. 251 00:14:14.880 --> 00:14:18.240 It's like a feeling. If I step out of this vicious 252 00:14:18.400 --> 00:14:20.240 I'll call it a vicious cycle, 253 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:26.560 I'm gonna hurt too many other people. Like, I'm gonna hurt too many people who 254 00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:28.960 are choosing that that's 255 00:14:30.565 --> 00:14:32.245 what's familiar to them. 256 00:14:33.205 --> 00:14:33.925 Just 257 00:14:34.565 --> 00:14:36.085 yes. It's kinda like, 258 00:14:37.045 --> 00:14:39.525 do I have the courage to leave them behind, 259 00:14:39.765 --> 00:14:43.205 or do I have the courage to not be there to soothe them 260 00:14:43.899 --> 00:14:45.020 when 261 00:14:46.060 --> 00:14:47.740 they're having that experience? 262 00:14:49.980 --> 00:14:53.420 Yeah. So the adult woman in me is like, bring it on, 263 00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:56.700 and the young woman is 264 00:14:57.625 --> 00:15:03.065 afraid of hurting people. Because I definitely identify as a a super sensitive person. 265 00:15:03.385 --> 00:15:06.985 Mhmm. You know, someone who's aware of other people's feelings 266 00:15:07.225 --> 00:15:07.945 and 267 00:15:08.985 --> 00:15:10.265 all those sorts of things. 268 00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:17.440 I don't know if this relates, but I brought brought this 269 00:15:18.640 --> 00:15:26.000 I'm really into the fact that we there's so many books and and scientific research that we have more than five senses. 270 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:26.480 You know? 271 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:32.285 So, like, this is a lot of what we work with in our creative schools, helping people access that. 272 00:15:32.605 --> 00:15:33.645 And I'm just 273 00:15:37.165 --> 00:15:41.885 yeah. It's like if I if I have a $100,000,000 274 00:15:42.350 --> 00:15:44.589 and I have more than five senses, 275 00:15:45.950 --> 00:15:48.830 you know, what if a max I think scientifically, 276 00:15:48.830 --> 00:15:54.110 it's there's documented up to 32 now, but I'm sure there's way more than that. 277 00:15:54.269 --> 00:15:56.510 I'm speaking as a very sensitive person. 278 00:15:58.325 --> 00:15:58.965 Like, 279 00:15:59.205 --> 00:16:02.565 you know, I think there's also a piece is there room in this world? 280 00:16:02.565 --> 00:16:05.685 And and and is there room in our our business world? 281 00:16:05.685 --> 00:16:10.165 I mean, the business model that you were just sharing with me about how we offer 282 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:18.320 what's considered valuable is is there room in the business world for that that super sensitivity? 283 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:19.760 - Mhmm. 284 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:22.320 I mean, 285 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.839 I don't know. What is the business world? 286 00:16:29.545 --> 00:16:32.745 - That's a great question. Because I had 287 00:16:33.865 --> 00:16:39.385 I had a moment just now, and then I I'm catching myself, but I'm gonna speak it. 288 00:16:39.900 --> 00:16:43.580 I had a moment where the business world is Calvin's world and 289 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:46.540 not my world. I I don't understand it. 290 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:48.780 But I must understand something 291 00:16:49.020 --> 00:16:52.300 because I launched this new business three years ago, and 292 00:16:53.444 --> 00:16:54.245 it's 293 00:16:54.644 --> 00:16:56.404 been slow to move, 294 00:16:56.644 --> 00:16:58.165 but it is moving. 295 00:16:58.644 --> 00:17:00.165 And I 296 00:17:01.764 --> 00:17:03.445 kind of feel right now, 297 00:17:04.645 --> 00:17:06.244 like, how I feel when I 298 00:17:06.910 --> 00:17:12.349 work on a film for many years, and then you just know when it's ready to share in the world. 299 00:17:12.349 --> 00:17:14.909 That's how I feel about the creative school. 300 00:17:15.070 --> 00:17:15.869 But 301 00:17:16.990 --> 00:17:20.109 I just I noticed a piece of me questioning 302 00:17:20.434 --> 00:17:22.434 my my business savvy. 303 00:17:22.835 --> 00:17:23.794 - Right. - Yeah. 304 00:17:23.794 --> 00:17:28.514 - Well, I - would I would say that the business world I mean, have you ever bought anything from any business? 305 00:17:29.315 --> 00:17:34.034 - All the time. - Right. So Yeah. That's the business world. You're already in the business world. 306 00:17:34.275 --> 00:17:37.149 It's kinda really hard to not be in the business world. But 307 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:40.350 is there room for it? If you have something 308 00:17:40.750 --> 00:17:44.909 that has value to someone else and they pay you money for it, bingo, you're in business. 309 00:17:45.630 --> 00:17:47.870 That's it. We don't need to make it this whole thing. 310 00:17:49.304 --> 00:17:53.864 - Okay. - Is there room for like, do you have something of value to offer to other people? 311 00:17:53.865 --> 00:17:55.144 Obviously you do. 312 00:17:55.465 --> 00:17:58.104 So yes, room for you in the business world. 313 00:17:59.065 --> 00:18:01.960 With whoever, however you are, right? Super 314 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:02.679 sensitive, 315 00:18:03.320 --> 00:18:07.559 - not sensitive at all, like whatever. It can be you. Yeah. - Yeah. 316 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:09.960 - Just 317 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:10.999 to go back, 318 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:13.399 I'm imagining 319 00:18:13.399 --> 00:18:13.799 that, 320 00:18:14.765 --> 00:18:16.284 excuse me, if you've 321 00:18:17.485 --> 00:18:18.924 been running on this, 322 00:18:19.164 --> 00:18:22.124 like, this need to stay hypervigilant 323 00:18:22.125 --> 00:18:25.884 and you associate having a healthy savings, 324 00:18:26.044 --> 00:18:27.804 retirement savings account 325 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:34.660 with, ah, now you can calm down, but your your subconscious mind says, ah, ah, we can't allow ourselves to calm down. 326 00:18:34.820 --> 00:18:35.460 Yeah. 327 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:39.140 Your subconscious mind's gonna make sure that that money stays away. 328 00:18:39.955 --> 00:18:41.475 - You know? Right? 329 00:18:41.795 --> 00:18:43.955 Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. 330 00:18:44.355 --> 00:18:46.595 A part of me doesn't wanna believe it 331 00:18:47.155 --> 00:18:48.915 because consciously, 332 00:18:48.995 --> 00:18:55.810 I feel like I know I I I get it. Like, consciously, I really get it, but I I hear I hear you. 333 00:18:55.810 --> 00:18:58.210 I hear what you're saying. Yep. Yeah. 334 00:18:58.690 --> 00:18:59.490 Yes. 335 00:19:00.130 --> 00:19:00.850 Yeah. 336 00:19:03.010 --> 00:19:11.965 - It really I mean, this is the fallacy we all make, and I've done this for decades myself where we think we have to do something for it. 337 00:19:15.325 --> 00:19:20.445 - Yes. That's that's me. You that's totally me. Yeah. - Yeah. 338 00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:24.690 And I'm not saying that there aren't things that we have to do. Right? 339 00:19:24.690 --> 00:19:28.609 Obviously, we have to let people know that we exist and that we have something to offer. 340 00:19:28.850 --> 00:19:31.570 We have to make them an offer on something that they want 341 00:19:31.890 --> 00:19:34.610 Yes. At the right time, at the right price, at the to the right person. 342 00:19:34.815 --> 00:19:37.934 We have to deliver on the thing. There are things that we need to do, 343 00:19:38.654 --> 00:19:41.854 but we get stuck in this, like, pushing harder 344 00:19:42.014 --> 00:19:42.815 doing 345 00:19:43.215 --> 00:19:48.254 stage state when it's really about we first gotta be in a state where we can actually receive. 346 00:19:48.815 --> 00:19:49.294 - Yes. 347 00:19:50.420 --> 00:19:51.940 Yeah. Yeah. 348 00:19:53.780 --> 00:19:55.380 Yeah. I really hear that. 349 00:20:02.075 --> 00:20:04.075 I really hear that because 350 00:20:05.195 --> 00:20:07.115 I love developing 351 00:20:07.115 --> 00:20:08.554 curriculum. 352 00:20:09.035 --> 00:20:10.475 - Mhmm. - And 353 00:20:12.635 --> 00:20:15.835 but as I'm listening to you, I'm really hearing, 354 00:20:16.780 --> 00:20:18.220 you know, it's okay to 355 00:20:19.020 --> 00:20:20.220 let it sit 356 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:22.539 and breathe for a while. 357 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:24.539 Mhmm. And, 358 00:20:25.340 --> 00:20:28.620 you know, the nuts and bolts is I I need to be 359 00:20:28.940 --> 00:20:31.340 finding ways to reach more people now 360 00:20:32.044 --> 00:20:35.484 and let the curriculum be what it is. Yeah. 361 00:20:37.085 --> 00:20:37.804 Yeah. 362 00:20:38.125 --> 00:20:40.125 - Yep. - Yeah. And the curriculum's 363 00:20:40.125 --> 00:20:45.710 - gonna keep evolving, you'll develop it with your people. And you know? - Yes. Yeah. Yep. - Yeah. 364 00:20:46.030 --> 00:20:51.470 So what's yeah. What is the core offer that you plan on on selling? 365 00:20:52.270 --> 00:20:54.030 - The core offer. 366 00:20:56.430 --> 00:20:57.310 So 367 00:20:58.285 --> 00:21:01.404 I guess I could talk about the structure of our school. 368 00:21:02.685 --> 00:21:07.644 I may this might be the part where I wonder if people will question my business savvy, but, 369 00:21:08.525 --> 00:21:11.644 - you know - You know what? Let them. - Let them. Okay. 370 00:21:11.805 --> 00:21:15.870 So as someone who's taught in higher education for many years, 371 00:21:16.510 --> 00:21:18.350 I see a lot of students. 372 00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:23.390 Here we go with the money piece again, but with a lot of student loans that they have to pay back. 373 00:21:27.795 --> 00:21:28.195 Intention 374 00:21:29.075 --> 00:21:32.035 was that the business model for Creative School 375 00:21:32.435 --> 00:21:35.235 for integration would be based on reciprocity. 376 00:21:35.715 --> 00:21:39.235 So right now, our business structure is we have a monthly membership, 377 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.320 but there's three different tiers of payment. 378 00:21:44.520 --> 00:21:49.719 And the idea is to trust folks to honestly pay in what they can. 379 00:21:51.159 --> 00:21:51.799 And 380 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:54.600 this way, someone could pay $60. 381 00:21:55.755 --> 00:22:03.355 And we meet twice a week because part of what we do is help people build their creative practice, so we wanna help them keep their momentum. 382 00:22:03.675 --> 00:22:05.914 We meet twice a week. And 383 00:22:07.115 --> 00:22:10.620 at this moment with the business model, everyone gets the same thing. 384 00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:13.260 They can buy in monthly for $60, 385 00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:15.900 a $120, 386 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:18.059 or a $180. 387 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:21.179 - Mhmm. - And, you know, and the way Simplera works, 388 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:22.700 they they just 389 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:25.180 well, we're very fortunate that people that have joined, 390 00:22:25.955 --> 00:22:27.394 they stay on. 391 00:22:28.195 --> 00:22:29.395 So they're 392 00:22:29.395 --> 00:22:31.715 with us month after month after month. 393 00:22:32.355 --> 00:22:33.315 But that's 394 00:22:34.035 --> 00:22:37.635 the model at the moment. And I have on the website that we're 395 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.480 this is based on reciprocity. 396 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:41.840 You know? So I'll 397 00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:47.920 we're always kinda, like, amazing when someone chooses the $1.20 or the $1.80 per month. Mhmm. 398 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.200 We're always like, wow. 399 00:22:50.775 --> 00:22:52.294 They're really getting it. 400 00:22:52.775 --> 00:22:53.495 - Cool. - You know? 401 00:22:53.495 --> 00:22:59.735 And then when someone chooses a $60 a month, it's really clear that that's what's allowing them to participate. 402 00:23:01.015 --> 00:23:05.495 - I've had - What is it? Can I ask? What does it mean that it's based in reciprocity? 403 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:07.440 - So the idea 404 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:12.000 - Meaning and let me let me clarify. The reason I'm asking is, like, all business is reciprocity. 405 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.160 - Right? I go to Starbucks. I give them $5, and they give me a pumpkin spice latte. - I don't like Yes. 406 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:17.920 - I don't drink coffee. But you get the idea. Right? 407 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.000 So there's always, like, there's some exchange there. 408 00:23:20.055 --> 00:23:22.455 So but what does it what does it mean to you here? 409 00:23:22.935 --> 00:23:25.175 - What it's meaning to me here 410 00:23:26.135 --> 00:23:26.775 well, 411 00:23:26.935 --> 00:23:31.095 so where I'm sitting right now in Costa Rica, the the health care system 412 00:23:31.415 --> 00:23:36.100 is you pay in based on what you make, what your salary is. 413 00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:41.539 So everyone and everyone gets the same health care, access to all the same health care. 414 00:23:41.540 --> 00:23:44.900 You have to have residency here first to do this. So 415 00:23:47.295 --> 00:23:48.815 if someone pays the 416 00:23:49.375 --> 00:23:52.655 it's like the folks who at this moment in time have 417 00:23:53.775 --> 00:23:54.415 more, 418 00:23:54.815 --> 00:23:56.095 you know, more 419 00:23:56.575 --> 00:23:58.175 colones in the bank. 420 00:23:58.815 --> 00:24:08.860 - They are paying more into the health care system than the person who maybe just graduated from school or is, you know, into - their sounds like how taxes work generally too. 421 00:24:08.860 --> 00:24:09.979 Right? Mhmm. 422 00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:15.019 - Like, the more money you make, the more taxes you pay, and then, like - but you to country or 423 00:24:16.055 --> 00:24:17.654 from The United States. The 424 00:24:18.215 --> 00:24:21.255 - the water supply is the same. Right? - Like Yeah. 425 00:24:21.895 --> 00:24:23.735 - Yeah. - Yeah. So that's 426 00:24:25.015 --> 00:24:27.174 I'm calling it reciprocity. 427 00:24:27.335 --> 00:24:31.550 Right. Okay. Because if you have more that you can put into the kitty this month, 428 00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:38.030 it helps me run my school for more people that can pay $60 a month. And 429 00:24:38.110 --> 00:24:43.470 so that's the business model at the moment. Mhmm. Some days, I think I'm 430 00:24:44.625 --> 00:24:46.544 is that my best business plan? 431 00:24:47.265 --> 00:24:49.265 I think about rearranging 432 00:24:49.265 --> 00:24:50.385 it a little bit, 433 00:24:50.785 --> 00:24:52.865 and then I I noticed that 434 00:24:54.705 --> 00:24:57.025 I really would love it to work this way. 435 00:24:57.730 --> 00:25:02.049 So the that so the person who pays the the $1.80 a month 436 00:25:02.529 --> 00:25:08.210 isn't necessarily getting some bonus that the person who's paying the lesser amount isn't getting. 437 00:25:08.690 --> 00:25:12.049 - But but I know - ask you. Please. So how many members do you have? 438 00:25:13.195 --> 00:25:17.675 - We don't have many right now. A dozen at the most. Yep. Mhmm. 439 00:25:18.235 --> 00:25:21.835 - And how much money do you wanna make from this business a month? 440 00:25:24.155 --> 00:25:25.275 - That is the question. 441 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:35.710 I would like to make I know I should be giving a specific number, so I need to get there. 442 00:25:35.710 --> 00:25:39.789 I would like to make enough so that when I retire from college teaching, 443 00:25:39.870 --> 00:25:40.350 I 444 00:25:40.785 --> 00:25:42.945 I don't have to worry about money. 445 00:25:44.385 --> 00:25:45.105 I 446 00:25:49.825 --> 00:25:52.785 if I get that don't be greedy voice out of my head, 447 00:25:54.380 --> 00:25:56.299 I would like to say with 448 00:25:59.580 --> 00:26:01.019 I feel so many 449 00:26:01.419 --> 00:26:05.980 of my own judgments right now. If I say a number, it's gonna be too low. 450 00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:12.475 If I say a number, it's gonna be too high. On a very practical level, I would like to be making less 451 00:26:12.715 --> 00:26:16.154 no less than between 5 to 8 k a month 452 00:26:16.475 --> 00:26:17.034 Mhmm. 453 00:26:18.554 --> 00:26:23.674 With the school. Now what hasn't taken off yet with the school are the privates. 454 00:26:24.350 --> 00:26:25.150 - Mhmm. 455 00:26:25.470 --> 00:26:26.429 - And 456 00:26:28.590 --> 00:26:34.110 I feel like that would be a really great boost for the school, and and I'm very comfortable giving privates. 457 00:26:34.110 --> 00:26:36.670 I'm trained at different modalities and things. So 458 00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:37.470 Mhmm. 459 00:26:38.044 --> 00:26:41.884 But I'd like to see the privates take off. And I 460 00:26:42.525 --> 00:26:49.164 while I'm here in Costa Rica, I'll be visiting a couple of retreat centers to also to look to get some in person 461 00:26:49.965 --> 00:26:53.340 retreats going. So I have that's the plan. Right. 462 00:26:54.940 --> 00:26:56.220 But I probably 463 00:26:57.100 --> 00:26:59.660 could be stronger in my number crunching. 464 00:27:00.060 --> 00:27:00.940 - Right. 465 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:01.580 - Yep. 466 00:27:02.140 --> 00:27:03.500 - Okay. So 467 00:27:04.885 --> 00:27:07.284 no less than 5,000 to $8,000 a month, 468 00:27:11.205 --> 00:27:13.365 that would cover living expenses. 469 00:27:13.605 --> 00:27:17.125 Would it also cover actually putting saving money 470 00:27:17.430 --> 00:27:21.830 into retirement savings so they are, like, so savings so that you have for 471 00:27:22.710 --> 00:27:23.830 - that's how Yeah. 472 00:27:28.550 --> 00:27:32.870 - Or even after I'm retired, I - can - be still saving money. 473 00:27:33.485 --> 00:27:37.965 - Exactly. Right. - Pass it off to my grandchildren when the time comes. No. 474 00:27:37.965 --> 00:27:40.605 You know, as I'm listening to you, I I hear 475 00:27:41.085 --> 00:27:45.965 I really am feeling like I have two nervous systems right now. So the younger 476 00:27:46.605 --> 00:27:47.885 the young woman 477 00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:51.330 is still concerned about not being greedy. 478 00:27:53.090 --> 00:27:58.929 And then the 60 year old woman is like, yeah, you're saying numbers that will 479 00:28:01.135 --> 00:28:06.494 be a little better than getting by, but it's still when push comes to shove, like 480 00:28:07.054 --> 00:28:09.934 yeah. I guess I'm not I'm I need to 481 00:28:11.054 --> 00:28:13.535 let the wires come through 482 00:28:16.190 --> 00:28:16.990 to 483 00:28:18.590 --> 00:28:20.190 be receptive 484 00:28:20.990 --> 00:28:22.510 to a surplus. 485 00:28:22.590 --> 00:28:25.470 That's the word that's coming to me as surplus, 486 00:28:25.870 --> 00:28:27.870 and that that is not being greedy. 487 00:28:28.110 --> 00:28:30.830 Because Yeah. Maybe I don't know what the surplus is for yet, 488 00:28:31.365 --> 00:28:33.764 but I will when the time is right. 489 00:28:34.805 --> 00:28:35.445 - I mean, 490 00:28:35.765 --> 00:28:37.284 what if it's just for you? 491 00:28:39.285 --> 00:28:40.005 - That 492 00:28:41.045 --> 00:28:44.325 is a wild question. My nervous system 493 00:28:44.485 --> 00:28:45.285 go go, wow. 494 00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:52.370 - I feel that. Yeah. - The way that I see this the way that I see the mindbugs so 495 00:28:53.170 --> 00:28:54.450 the mindbugs 496 00:28:54.850 --> 00:28:55.570 are 497 00:28:56.290 --> 00:28:59.650 these, like, very core ways of relating to life. 498 00:29:00.485 --> 00:29:01.365 Like, 499 00:29:01.445 --> 00:29:03.765 there's not enough scarcity. 500 00:29:03.925 --> 00:29:05.765 Right? Yeah. Or 501 00:29:06.005 --> 00:29:07.605 I'm not gonna be okay 502 00:29:08.005 --> 00:29:09.445 relating to the future, 503 00:29:10.165 --> 00:29:11.525 or I'm not safe. 504 00:29:12.620 --> 00:29:15.179 Or, like, it's all up to me. 505 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.140 Like, it's these core lenses. 506 00:29:18.300 --> 00:29:19.580 They're not beliefs. 507 00:29:20.380 --> 00:29:23.340 They're not because we we don't go around thinking these things. 508 00:29:23.340 --> 00:29:25.900 They're just the the eyes that we look through 509 00:29:26.295 --> 00:29:31.255 at the world. And then we look through those eyes, and then the world looks like that way. Right? 510 00:29:31.335 --> 00:29:33.015 Because I've never seen anything else. 511 00:29:33.335 --> 00:29:37.895 And the way I think of it is that you, as a soul, 512 00:29:38.135 --> 00:29:39.015 decided 513 00:29:39.015 --> 00:29:42.055 I want to come here to Earth to have the experience 514 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.799 of what it feels like to live 515 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:47.200 in scarcity. 516 00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:50.480 What it feels like to live like I'm not safe. 517 00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:55.360 - Mhmm. - What it feels to like to live as, like, it's all up to me. 518 00:29:55.625 --> 00:29:59.465 As a soul, we choose to go here to have those experiences, 519 00:29:59.865 --> 00:30:03.625 and then we just orchestrate events so that we get to have those experiences. 520 00:30:03.945 --> 00:30:07.304 - Yeah. - Yeah. So it's not that anybody did anything wrong. 521 00:30:08.265 --> 00:30:08.985 - Right. 522 00:30:09.225 --> 00:30:09.625 Yes. 523 00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:13.019 - They played their part. 524 00:30:14.780 --> 00:30:15.500 - Yes. 525 00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:16.940 And I 526 00:30:17.260 --> 00:30:19.899 and that's a big part of 527 00:30:21.660 --> 00:30:24.299 my own spiritual development 528 00:30:24.380 --> 00:30:25.420 is 529 00:30:28.695 --> 00:30:34.455 as best as I can to let go of right or wrong in the moment, you know, that I'm having a feeling or 530 00:30:34.855 --> 00:30:35.414 - Yeah. 531 00:30:35.975 --> 00:30:37.095 - A curiosity 532 00:30:37.095 --> 00:30:38.214 or assessing 533 00:30:38.215 --> 00:30:39.014 something. 534 00:30:40.375 --> 00:30:44.750 So I guess, you know, Calvin, I I really believe that too. 535 00:30:48.590 --> 00:30:50.350 Have you ever explored 536 00:30:50.510 --> 00:30:52.830 or worked with anyone exploring, 537 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:58.945 like, taking that soul contract and deciding now I'm at a point in life where it's time to rewrite this? 538 00:30:59.985 --> 00:31:00.705 - Yeah. 539 00:31:00.785 --> 00:31:06.065 - Totally. Yeah. - Mhmm. I mean, that's what we're doing right now. - Yeah. And and for me, it's like it's 540 00:31:06.785 --> 00:31:08.865 the the key is to see 541 00:31:09.265 --> 00:31:11.345 those lenses. Right? So for you, 542 00:31:12.140 --> 00:31:12.860 right, 543 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:13.500 there 544 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:20.140 the the scarcity, there's not enough and, like, I have to do something to deserve of 545 00:31:20.300 --> 00:31:23.180 whatever it is because who I am 546 00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:26.060 doesn't deserve. Right? I can make, 547 00:31:26.975 --> 00:31:34.414 you know, money if it's for someone else to do good for someone else, but not if it's just for me because I'm not 548 00:31:35.055 --> 00:31:38.414 I'm not worth it. I don't deserve it, whatever that is. 549 00:31:40.415 --> 00:31:41.455 And so 550 00:31:41.740 --> 00:31:46.299 the idea is to just see, oh, that's the operating system underneath that. 551 00:31:46.299 --> 00:31:48.859 Those are the eyes, and that's actually a lie. 552 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:51.339 Each one of these are lies. 553 00:31:51.659 --> 00:31:55.739 But until we see them, they will have power over us. And 554 00:31:55.820 --> 00:31:56.860 once you see them, 555 00:31:57.424 --> 00:32:02.705 you now have the choice. When they come up again, you're like, oh, that one. Yes. 556 00:32:02.705 --> 00:32:04.144 I know that's a lie. 557 00:32:04.465 --> 00:32:05.024 Yeah. 558 00:32:05.265 --> 00:32:05.984 - Yeah. 559 00:32:07.345 --> 00:32:09.265 So being able to name it as 560 00:32:09.505 --> 00:32:09.745 yeah. 561 00:32:10.399 --> 00:32:11.200 Yeah. 562 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.879 Name it as it appears. 563 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.399 - Yeah. - Yeah. 564 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.999 Just see. Yeah. 565 00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:18.159 Like, for you, I'm like, why not 566 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:25.200 why 5 to 8,000 a month? Why not 50 to 80,000 a month? Like, why not make a million dollars a year? 567 00:32:25.815 --> 00:32:26.534 - Yeah. 568 00:32:26.695 --> 00:32:27.654 And I 569 00:32:32.934 --> 00:32:34.934 I was feeling that too. 570 00:32:35.095 --> 00:32:35.495 You know? 571 00:32:37.909 --> 00:32:42.469 When I was saying those numbers and then part of me was like, don't dare say it. 572 00:32:42.549 --> 00:32:44.229 You know, it just came to me 573 00:32:45.029 --> 00:32:50.629 because what if it okay. What just came to me? Don't dare say it because what if it doesn't happen? 574 00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:51.350 - Mhmm. 575 00:32:52.184 --> 00:32:53.704 - Yeah. You know? Yeah. 576 00:32:54.505 --> 00:32:55.224 Meaning, 577 00:32:55.544 --> 00:32:56.984 you know. But 578 00:33:02.585 --> 00:33:06.024 if I could say it and let go of that, it's just 579 00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:07.440 only me 580 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:10.320 manifesting that. 581 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.440 If I could say it and 582 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:20.000 know that this work that's coming because I really believe the work that comes through us, like, we're in collaboration, 583 00:33:20.404 --> 00:33:22.804 And that the more clear I am 584 00:33:24.725 --> 00:33:28.164 and nourished I am, the more it's gonna come through. Like, I really 585 00:33:28.725 --> 00:33:31.365 I believe that without a shadow of a doubt. 586 00:33:35.260 --> 00:33:36.300 But I think, 587 00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:38.380 yeah, for me to say 588 00:33:43.260 --> 00:33:44.140 like, because 589 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:45.500 this 590 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:47.340 is gonna be very vulnerable, 591 00:33:47.340 --> 00:33:47.820 but 592 00:33:48.245 --> 00:33:51.205 it's almost like asking for what I make annually 593 00:33:51.205 --> 00:33:52.485 in one month. 594 00:33:53.125 --> 00:33:53.845 - Mhmm. 595 00:33:54.805 --> 00:33:58.645 - And I can feel like, so my nervous system's like, yeah. Let's, 596 00:33:58.805 --> 00:34:00.645 like, rearrange for that. 597 00:34:01.285 --> 00:34:02.645 Yeah. Like, let's just like, 598 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:04.440 why not? 599 00:34:06.520 --> 00:34:08.840 - I feel it. Yeah. - Yeah. 600 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:10.280 I like the smile. 601 00:34:10.520 --> 00:34:11.160 - Yeah. 602 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:12.679 Yeah. 603 00:34:13.080 --> 00:34:15.159 If I told you that I 604 00:34:15.984 --> 00:34:19.665 never thought I would be sitting here in Costa Rica, 605 00:34:20.545 --> 00:34:21.344 I always 606 00:34:23.185 --> 00:34:27.585 knew I wanted to be here because I would put it in my passcode words. 607 00:34:27.984 --> 00:34:28.705 Mhmm. 608 00:34:29.105 --> 00:34:35.429 And I, you know, and then I gave up the dream for over twenty years. So Mhmm. Something allowed me 609 00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:40.469 because I where I'm sitting right now 610 00:34:41.909 --> 00:34:43.510 in my neighbor's house, 611 00:34:43.750 --> 00:34:47.625 - I bought a piece of land next door to her. - And 612 00:34:48.984 --> 00:34:51.385 - I did it on just a leap of faith, 613 00:34:53.704 --> 00:34:54.505 you know, 614 00:34:56.025 --> 00:35:02.300 knowing that somehow this would all work out and that somehow I will have an in person artist residency here. 615 00:35:02.779 --> 00:35:03.420 Oh. 616 00:35:04.140 --> 00:35:04.940 You know? 617 00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:06.140 And 618 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:09.579 so if I believed in that, 619 00:35:10.395 --> 00:35:14.315 why not believe that I can make my annual salary every month? 620 00:35:14.715 --> 00:35:19.995 - A 100%. Yeah. And then double that and double that again. - Yeah. Yeah. 621 00:35:20.395 --> 00:35:21.515 - Yeah. So 622 00:35:21.675 --> 00:35:25.435 the three big mistakes that people make when it comes to manifestation 623 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.620 is 624 00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:28.980 number one, 625 00:35:30.020 --> 00:35:32.260 they think that it's out there 626 00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:36.740 when it's really in here. 627 00:35:38.435 --> 00:35:40.755 Number two is they think it's out in the future 628 00:35:43.155 --> 00:35:44.915 when it's really right here. 629 00:35:45.475 --> 00:35:46.115 Yeah. 630 00:35:46.995 --> 00:35:49.155 And number three, they think it's all up to them. 631 00:35:52.290 --> 00:35:52.930 Yeah. 632 00:35:53.170 --> 00:35:53.810 - Yeah. 633 00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:57.250 Can you say them again? What was the first one? 634 00:35:57.890 --> 00:35:59.410 - That it's out there. 635 00:35:59.970 --> 00:36:04.850 - Yeah. Out there. - Outside of me. - Right. Right. Mhmm. - That it's in the future 636 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:05.650 Future. 637 00:36:06.305 --> 00:36:07.985 And it's all up to me. 638 00:36:08.385 --> 00:36:09.105 - Yeah. 639 00:36:09.345 --> 00:36:10.145 - Yeah. 640 00:36:12.065 --> 00:36:12.865 - Yeah. 641 00:36:12.945 --> 00:36:13.985 I definitely 642 00:36:14.305 --> 00:36:16.705 yeah. The the future and the all up to me, 643 00:36:19.580 --> 00:36:20.380 that's 644 00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:23.420 - that's where I need to let go. Yeah. - Yeah. 645 00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:24.060 Yeah. 646 00:36:24.060 --> 00:36:33.500 And that's where it's so beautiful to think of of I came across an old Louise Hay video on YouTube the other day, one that I remember watching, like, fifteen, twenty years ago. 647 00:36:34.035 --> 00:36:38.195 And she talks about prosperity. And she's like, well, it's really like, 648 00:36:38.515 --> 00:36:39.555 yes, money, 649 00:36:39.795 --> 00:36:40.595 but like, 650 00:36:41.315 --> 00:36:43.315 where are you being stingy with time? 651 00:36:45.315 --> 00:36:48.515 Or like feeling scarcity around time or 652 00:36:48.674 --> 00:36:49.315 wisdom 653 00:36:49.770 --> 00:36:51.050 or beauty 654 00:36:51.370 --> 00:36:52.650 or comfort 655 00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:53.850 or, 656 00:36:53.850 --> 00:36:54.570 you know, 657 00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:57.290 I forget, like a whole range of things, 658 00:36:57.850 --> 00:36:59.290 right, where we can just 659 00:37:00.730 --> 00:37:01.450 be 660 00:37:01.690 --> 00:37:03.290 prosperous, be abundant around 661 00:37:04.585 --> 00:37:09.145 everything. And then yes, money too, right? But we get so hung up on the money part. 662 00:37:09.545 --> 00:37:12.745 We're really like, oh no, there's only so much love to go around. 663 00:37:12.745 --> 00:37:16.665 There's only so much wisdom and it's hard to come by or 664 00:37:16.745 --> 00:37:19.385 like, can't be comfortable or, you know, 665 00:37:20.060 --> 00:37:22.460 just allowing abundance on every level. 666 00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:25.180 Yeah. It's all there. It's available. 667 00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:29.100 - There really is enough 668 00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:30.300 for all of us. 669 00:37:30.540 --> 00:37:30.860 Mhmm. 670 00:37:36.164 --> 00:37:38.484 - Well, and here's the here's the kicker of it, 671 00:37:38.885 --> 00:37:40.405 is that abundance 672 00:37:41.765 --> 00:37:43.204 is who you are. 673 00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:47.970 You are abundance. 674 00:37:48.210 --> 00:37:48.850 So this 675 00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:55.410 whole work, what I'm what I'm about when it comes to this the the mind bugs and everything. Right? 676 00:37:55.410 --> 00:37:56.610 There's the you 677 00:37:57.010 --> 00:38:00.370 that you think you are, and then there's the you that you really are. 678 00:38:01.515 --> 00:38:01.994 Yeah. 679 00:38:01.994 --> 00:38:10.075 The you that you think you are is Kirsten, and she's 60 years old, and she lives in Baltimore, and right now she's in Costa Rica and all that stuff. 680 00:38:10.795 --> 00:38:14.234 It was great. The you that you really are is pure soul. 681 00:38:15.839 --> 00:38:17.839 It's never born, will never die, 682 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.119 always there. 683 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.160 And that you is abundance. 684 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:25.280 That you is love. 685 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.119 That you is power. 686 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:28.400 It's freedom. 687 00:38:31.434 --> 00:38:32.555 It's safe. 688 00:38:33.755 --> 00:38:35.755 Yeah. Safety. It's all the things. 689 00:38:38.315 --> 00:38:40.075 - In the creative school, 690 00:38:40.474 --> 00:38:42.555 instead of having folks 691 00:38:42.875 --> 00:38:44.155 initiate their page 692 00:38:45.130 --> 00:38:47.050 with a traditional frame, 693 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:50.330 we have them do an infinity container 694 00:38:50.810 --> 00:38:55.609 - Mhmm. - Because there's no beginning, middle, or end. It's everything you're saying. Yeah. 695 00:38:55.609 --> 00:38:58.730 And that's what's freed the people who are participating 696 00:38:58.730 --> 00:38:59.609 in with us. 697 00:39:00.545 --> 00:39:07.265 That's what freed them up with their you know, they got over that I never drew before or whatever it was. 698 00:39:07.345 --> 00:39:07.745 But, 699 00:39:09.105 --> 00:39:12.945 yeah, you're saying all the things that are just deeply meaningful to me. 700 00:39:13.585 --> 00:39:13.905 So 701 00:39:14.890 --> 00:39:15.530 I 702 00:39:18.410 --> 00:39:21.210 I really like this new person who 703 00:39:22.090 --> 00:39:24.410 could make her annual salary 704 00:39:24.410 --> 00:39:25.290 monthly. 705 00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:26.490 It's just 706 00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:29.450 it's really, like, touching. And 707 00:39:29.850 --> 00:39:30.170 - Yeah. 708 00:39:31.425 --> 00:39:32.145 Yeah. 709 00:39:32.705 --> 00:39:34.145 - It it 710 00:39:34.545 --> 00:39:36.945 I feel like I might tear up because 711 00:39:37.025 --> 00:39:37.665 I 712 00:39:40.545 --> 00:39:43.105 it feels like it's outside of my lineage 713 00:39:43.620 --> 00:39:50.340 to even think that way or to Mhmm. It's not a thought. Like, I'm feeling it in my nervous system. 714 00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:53.300 Mhmm. So it feels completely 715 00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:53.780 new. 716 00:39:57.985 --> 00:40:02.545 - It's wild and good. - You deserve to live and thrive 717 00:40:03.505 --> 00:40:04.785 and soar 718 00:40:04.865 --> 00:40:05.665 and 719 00:40:06.065 --> 00:40:06.705 yeah. 720 00:40:07.025 --> 00:40:08.625 So much freaking joy 721 00:40:08.945 --> 00:40:10.545 Yeah. And so much fucking money. 722 00:40:12.279 --> 00:40:12.920 Yeah. 723 00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:16.520 Yeah. 724 00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:19.400 How does that feel? 725 00:40:28.285 --> 00:40:29.085 - I 726 00:40:31.244 --> 00:40:34.925 keep going back to my nervous system because 727 00:40:35.720 --> 00:40:38.280 it feels new to my nervous system. 728 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:39.240 Yeah. 729 00:40:40.279 --> 00:40:41.880 It feels very new. 730 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.000 There's a little sadness 731 00:40:48.735 --> 00:40:51.055 that I thought I had done this work. 732 00:40:54.415 --> 00:40:56.895 And then there's the joy of 733 00:40:58.895 --> 00:41:03.535 but look where I am here in this very moment. I get to feel this newness. 734 00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:07.180 Yes. The pure potential. 735 00:41:07.420 --> 00:41:07.900 Yeah. 736 00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:09.180 Yeah. 737 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.300 And 738 00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:13.579 I just had a, like, energetic feeling of money. 739 00:41:13.579 --> 00:41:17.259 Like, I'm looking out at all these immense trees literally 740 00:41:17.259 --> 00:41:18.380 sitting in a jungle. 741 00:41:24.435 --> 00:41:28.275 You know, I just say, like, there's millions of leaves here surrounding 742 00:41:28.275 --> 00:41:33.795 me and that money is no different than that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. 743 00:41:34.035 --> 00:41:35.635 - Yeah. - Yeah. Yeah. 744 00:41:36.490 --> 00:41:39.370 There's tons of money. Money's constantly 745 00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:45.290 - in motion somewhere. You just gotta - Yeah. - Put a cup where it's where it's flowing. Yeah. - Yeah. 746 00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:47.210 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 747 00:41:48.505 --> 00:41:49.225 - Yeah. 748 00:41:50.825 --> 00:41:52.905 Yeah. And I get that. 749 00:41:53.545 --> 00:41:57.625 Like, oh, I thought it I've been there so many times myself. I thought I was done with this. 750 00:41:57.625 --> 00:41:58.905 I thought I'd done this. Yeah. 751 00:41:59.705 --> 00:42:06.330 Reason I'm obsessed with this level of operating is it took me twenty one years of like doing the work till I got this. 752 00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:07.930 Then it took me another 753 00:42:08.250 --> 00:42:10.410 year or two till I really got it. 754 00:42:10.650 --> 00:42:14.170 It's just a different way of operating from anything else I've done. And like, 755 00:42:14.984 --> 00:42:18.585 if Tony Robbins knows about this, I haven't heard him talk about it. I haven't seen him do this. 756 00:42:18.585 --> 00:42:20.505 Like he does not get to this level. 757 00:42:20.984 --> 00:42:23.224 And it's 758 00:42:23.224 --> 00:42:24.185 a different thing. 759 00:42:24.825 --> 00:42:26.825 And it's the whole, like what 760 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.640 we end up doing, what we what we all fall into 761 00:42:31.359 --> 00:42:44.985 is, again, if this is your soul and who you really are, and this is the Kirsten 60 years old in this body and all that stuff, it's this part that's doing the work to get out of the prison that this part created. 762 00:42:45.385 --> 00:42:49.545 - Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, it's - the it's the you that feels 763 00:42:49.705 --> 00:42:54.185 not deserving that tries to do things to get out of that, and that'll never work. 764 00:42:54.690 --> 00:43:00.210 Yeah. So we gotta notice, oh, I built a prison for myself using pillars that said, 765 00:43:00.450 --> 00:43:01.170 you know, 766 00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:06.850 I don't deserve, and there's not enough, and, like, you know, I'm not safe and whatever. 767 00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:09.329 And until we can see what they are, 768 00:43:10.194 --> 00:43:15.875 we can't escape out of prison, and we don't escape out of prison by doing stuff but by removing 769 00:43:16.434 --> 00:43:16.994 Yeah. 770 00:43:17.234 --> 00:43:18.515 Those mindbugs. 771 00:43:18.515 --> 00:43:22.115 I don't know. I'm obsessed with it because I don't see anybody else doing this. 772 00:43:22.115 --> 00:43:25.520 And most people most people don't get it because they're like, well, I've already heard this. 773 00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:29.200 I already done this. Like, yeah. This is like this. This is like that. No. It's it's different. 774 00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:30.480 - It's it's different. - So 775 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.040 We're we talk about it conscious 776 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:34.160 consciously, 777 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.840 but what I experienced with you today was was a visceral, 778 00:43:38.475 --> 00:43:40.635 you know, body and nervous system 779 00:43:40.875 --> 00:43:41.995 experience 780 00:43:42.155 --> 00:43:43.195 of Yeah. 781 00:43:45.035 --> 00:43:47.995 Which, you know, the most beautiful 782 00:43:49.115 --> 00:43:51.115 irony is 783 00:43:52.470 --> 00:43:54.870 what we're doing with our creative school. 784 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:56.790 - Exactly. - Yep. 785 00:43:57.190 --> 00:44:00.870 - Yep. - I have one other gift for you. Okay. 786 00:44:01.910 --> 00:44:10.735 Is there is one more mind bug that I'm seeing which ties back to the very first thing you said about creating the space of nonjudgment. 787 00:44:11.535 --> 00:44:12.255 - Yes. 788 00:44:12.494 --> 00:44:13.135 Yeah. 789 00:44:13.454 --> 00:44:14.175 - Because 790 00:44:14.494 --> 00:44:18.415 what I'm feeling from you is there's a lot of right and wrong, 791 00:44:19.080 --> 00:44:24.520 And you're afraid of doing the like, when I ask you how much money, right, you you start monitoring yourself. 792 00:44:24.520 --> 00:44:27.960 Well, if I say this, it's gonna, like, it's gonna be wrong this way. 793 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:32.440 If it's that, that's gonna be wrong that way. Right? So that constant state of 794 00:44:32.694 --> 00:44:34.855 again, it's a form of hypervigilance, 795 00:44:35.174 --> 00:44:37.494 but as, like, self censorship, 796 00:44:38.055 --> 00:44:39.415 self consciousness. 797 00:44:39.734 --> 00:44:41.095 - Mhmm. - Like, because 798 00:44:41.815 --> 00:44:48.790 there's a thing that I could do now that we'd be right, and there's a thing I could do that would be wrong, and I don't know which is which. 799 00:44:48.790 --> 00:44:52.470 - And so I have to constantly be in my head trying to figure that out. - Yeah. 800 00:44:52.470 --> 00:44:55.590 I'm writing down self censorship so I don't 801 00:44:56.950 --> 00:44:58.710 you know, censorship is 802 00:44:59.694 --> 00:45:02.575 a term we use in the art world a lot. Exactly. 803 00:45:02.734 --> 00:45:03.455 And 804 00:45:05.855 --> 00:45:07.135 that's where yeah. 805 00:45:07.375 --> 00:45:09.935 - Whoo. Yeah. - Yeah. That's not 806 00:45:10.494 --> 00:45:12.734 my intention to self censor. 807 00:45:13.214 --> 00:45:14.174 I'm 808 00:45:14.174 --> 00:45:14.895 gonna 809 00:45:16.550 --> 00:45:20.470 like, make a T shirt that says that or something to make sure I'm 810 00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.230 that's yeah. 811 00:45:22.950 --> 00:45:23.350 - Yeah. 812 00:45:27.915 --> 00:45:32.635 - Know, so I feel like I'm sitting, like, right here with you right now in this living field 813 00:45:33.835 --> 00:45:36.715 where I just everything is pure potential. 814 00:45:37.195 --> 00:45:38.635 Yeah. You know? 815 00:45:39.275 --> 00:45:40.395 And 816 00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:44.070 I could take those younger parts of me and give them a big hug 817 00:45:44.630 --> 00:45:47.510 Yeah. And let them know I'm not abandoning them either. 818 00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:53.430 I mean, I'm inviting them into this amazing adventure. I mean, look where I'm sitting. 819 00:45:56.355 --> 00:45:57.075 Yep. 820 00:45:57.155 --> 00:45:57.875 Yeah. 821 00:45:59.155 --> 00:46:03.315 - I love that. That's so beautiful. - Yeah. - Yeah. That's 822 00:46:03.315 --> 00:46:06.035 that's the world. Pure pure potential. 823 00:46:06.115 --> 00:46:07.315 Pure possibility. 824 00:46:07.635 --> 00:46:08.435 Yeah. Yeah. 825 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:10.980 Yeah. 826 00:46:11.380 --> 00:46:14.580 This is the biggest one for me as well. Like, you know, 827 00:46:15.620 --> 00:46:20.020 oh, shit. I did something wrong. I shouldn't have done that. Fucked up. 828 00:46:20.180 --> 00:46:23.700 Like, what if I say the wrong thing? What if I do it the wrong way? 829 00:46:24.100 --> 00:46:24.420 Constant. 830 00:46:24.924 --> 00:46:25.805 Constant. 831 00:46:26.444 --> 00:46:27.645 - Yeah. Yeah. 832 00:46:30.765 --> 00:46:32.045 - You can't fuck 833 00:46:32.204 --> 00:46:32.765 it up. 834 00:46:33.484 --> 00:46:34.925 - We could only learn. 835 00:46:35.085 --> 00:46:39.690 - Yeah. - Yeah. None of what you ever did was wrong. None of what you ever said was wrong. 836 00:46:39.690 --> 00:46:43.690 Nothing that you do in the future can be wrong. Nothing that you say can be wrong. 837 00:46:43.610 --> 00:46:45.530 Just do what you do 838 00:46:46.810 --> 00:46:47.370 and 839 00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:50.410 things are gonna happen 840 00:46:50.570 --> 00:46:52.570 from that. That's it. 841 00:46:53.145 --> 00:46:53.945 Yeah. 842 00:46:54.185 --> 00:46:56.585 And you know this. Right? And then 843 00:46:58.585 --> 00:47:00.345 this is where it becomes the 844 00:47:00.665 --> 00:47:04.985 the lived the the reality that we experience in the body. And we get to 845 00:47:05.705 --> 00:47:06.425 - Yes. 846 00:47:06.905 --> 00:47:07.465 And and 847 00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:11.060 what I also know is the hypervigilance. 848 00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:14.500 The way I experience hypervigilance 849 00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:15.220 is 850 00:47:16.180 --> 00:47:17.860 it will exhaust me, 851 00:47:18.260 --> 00:47:20.180 and then I can't feel my body. 852 00:47:20.580 --> 00:47:21.620 Mhmm. Totally. 853 00:47:22.420 --> 00:47:23.060 So 854 00:47:23.345 --> 00:47:24.305 I'm making, 855 00:47:25.025 --> 00:47:25.665 like, 856 00:47:26.704 --> 00:47:27.825 my intention 857 00:47:28.224 --> 00:47:30.705 to also not self censor 858 00:47:30.865 --> 00:47:32.065 the experience 859 00:47:32.625 --> 00:47:33.825 the experiences 860 00:47:33.825 --> 00:47:37.090 that my body wants to have, which to be nourished 861 00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.410 and rested and be making 862 00:47:40.050 --> 00:47:41.330 creative decisions, 863 00:47:41.330 --> 00:47:44.610 business decisions, all the decisions from that place. 864 00:47:45.330 --> 00:47:47.570 - Mhmm. - Not the hypervigilant place. 865 00:47:48.474 --> 00:47:49.915 - Yeah. - Yeah. 866 00:47:49.994 --> 00:47:52.714 - I got no right or wrong. - It's just Exactly. Yeah. 867 00:47:52.714 --> 00:47:56.555 - The the the hypervigilant place just doesn't feel good. 868 00:47:57.194 --> 00:47:58.955 No. It's yeah. 869 00:47:59.275 --> 00:48:01.194 - No. It's exhausting. 870 00:48:01.194 --> 00:48:04.680 - Yeah. That's the word. It's exhausting. Yeah. Yeah. 871 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:07.720 - Yeah. Yeah. 872 00:48:14.680 --> 00:48:16.440 You're so beautiful, Kirsten. 873 00:48:16.600 --> 00:48:18.119 - Oh, gosh. Well, 874 00:48:18.665 --> 00:48:19.945 okay. 875 00:48:19.945 --> 00:48:21.865 I'm gonna I'm gonna let that in. 876 00:48:26.105 --> 00:48:27.625 I'm gonna let that in. 877 00:48:29.705 --> 00:48:30.665 I'm deeply, 878 00:48:32.730 --> 00:48:34.250 deeply appreciative 879 00:48:34.250 --> 00:48:38.570 of your beauty and that you're doing this with folks. I don't 880 00:48:39.450 --> 00:48:42.570 I don't know of another, like, platform, 881 00:48:43.290 --> 00:48:48.330 you know, for people to run all these unique businesses where they they get this. 882 00:48:49.105 --> 00:48:51.025 So that's a thank you. 883 00:48:51.745 --> 00:48:55.665 - My pleasure. Yeah. I'm not aware of one either. - Yeah. - So 884 00:48:56.625 --> 00:48:59.905 I want you so what I wanted you to consider is that that 885 00:49:00.145 --> 00:49:01.185 the real 886 00:49:01.345 --> 00:49:02.385 what you do, 887 00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:06.640 your offer, what you sell people, what you offer people, 888 00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:09.600 it's about art and creativity, 889 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.680 but, really, it's about this. 890 00:49:12.160 --> 00:49:12.880 - Yes. 891 00:49:13.120 --> 00:49:13.920 Alright. 892 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.920 - Yeah. What - we need here today? - This is the work. 893 00:49:18.525 --> 00:49:19.565 And 894 00:49:20.444 --> 00:49:23.645 what I, meaning what's coming through me, 895 00:49:24.285 --> 00:49:25.325 has discovered, 896 00:49:26.045 --> 00:49:28.365 there is a large population 897 00:49:28.365 --> 00:49:29.805 of mark makers, 898 00:49:29.885 --> 00:49:32.845 people that want to do this work through 899 00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:36.940 making marks and then seeing what those marks turn into. 900 00:49:37.420 --> 00:49:39.660 Mhmm. It's like that's reciprocity 901 00:49:39.660 --> 00:49:40.860 because they're 902 00:49:40.940 --> 00:49:42.300 they're getting fed 903 00:49:42.380 --> 00:49:44.700 by you know, it's like this unfolding. 904 00:49:45.099 --> 00:49:46.059 - Mhmm. - And it 905 00:49:46.525 --> 00:49:48.685 and it's immensely nourishing 906 00:49:48.685 --> 00:49:49.325 and 907 00:49:49.725 --> 00:49:50.285 fun. 908 00:49:50.765 --> 00:49:53.805 Mhmm. It's not that people don't hit some 909 00:49:53.965 --> 00:49:54.765 places. 910 00:49:55.005 --> 00:49:56.925 People are definitely hitting 911 00:49:57.565 --> 00:50:03.300 some of those uncomfortable places, but there's something about this mark making process that 912 00:50:04.420 --> 00:50:07.860 yeah. Like what you and I have just done together, it brings 913 00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:09.380 them through. 914 00:50:10.020 --> 00:50:11.140 A 100%. 915 00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:13.220 Yeah. Yeah. This is the this 916 00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:16.740 is the way it's unfolding with this population. 917 00:50:16.820 --> 00:50:20.235 - Yeah. - Exactly. Let me I wanna share something with you quick. Okay. 918 00:50:21.275 --> 00:50:22.315 This is actually 919 00:50:26.635 --> 00:50:27.355 this is 920 00:50:27.915 --> 00:50:29.435 I can see this. This is my mom. 921 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:31.680 - Wow. 922 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:32.560 Yeah. 923 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.160 - It's in Danish, but she started a software company in 1980 in Denmark. Wow. - Oh, wow. 924 00:50:38.160 --> 00:50:40.880 - And then in her in her second 925 00:50:44.685 --> 00:50:51.965 second half of her life, when my brother and I left high school and left the home, she got back into painting and 926 00:50:52.125 --> 00:50:53.245 spent like 927 00:50:53.805 --> 00:50:55.565 twenty, thirty years doing 928 00:50:56.490 --> 00:50:57.290 spiritual 929 00:50:57.290 --> 00:51:02.650 - development through painting with her - Yeah. - For herself and with her clients. And so I'm 930 00:51:02.650 --> 00:51:05.370 deeply familiar with with that world. 931 00:51:05.930 --> 00:51:06.490 And 932 00:51:07.290 --> 00:51:12.135 what I want what I want you to consider is how fucking valuable that transformation 933 00:51:12.135 --> 00:51:14.135 is to these people. Right? Yes. 934 00:51:14.135 --> 00:51:18.535 And there are a lot of people I don't know if you're the audience for this type of thing tends to be 935 00:51:18.935 --> 00:51:19.895 older women. 936 00:51:20.215 --> 00:51:23.255 Right? Like, I don't know what your audience what is your experience? 937 00:51:23.255 --> 00:51:24.935 - That's that's who we're getting mostly. Yes. 938 00:51:25.830 --> 00:51:30.230 - Yeah. - A lot of there are lots of older women who have plenty of money. 939 00:51:31.270 --> 00:51:31.910 Right? 940 00:51:32.070 --> 00:51:33.350 Corporate careers, 941 00:51:33.670 --> 00:51:36.710 husbands that have made whatever, for whatever reason, 942 00:51:36.870 --> 00:51:37.670 savings. 943 00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:40.230 There's lots of them that have lots of money, 944 00:51:41.175 --> 00:51:42.695 but they don't have this. 945 00:51:43.335 --> 00:51:43.975 Yeah. 946 00:51:44.135 --> 00:51:44.855 Right? 947 00:51:44.935 --> 00:51:45.655 Yeah. 948 00:51:46.375 --> 00:51:49.255 If you were to say, which is more valuable in life? 949 00:51:50.295 --> 00:51:51.895 The money or the this? 950 00:51:53.895 --> 00:51:54.535 - Oh, wow. 951 00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:58.890 Without it being a right or wrong question, 952 00:52:00.810 --> 00:52:06.250 the I mean, I have to choose this, meaning the what I'm calling the make your marks. 953 00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:09.210 Yeah. Because 954 00:52:10.375 --> 00:52:12.775 it's every it just provides everything. 955 00:52:13.095 --> 00:52:14.055 - Right. Yeah. 956 00:52:14.055 --> 00:52:21.655 But what I what I mean by this, let me be more specific, is the this feeling that you had that you had here of, like, oh my god. 957 00:52:21.655 --> 00:52:24.055 This field of, like, pure pure 958 00:52:26.430 --> 00:52:28.110 - The the pure potential. 959 00:52:28.270 --> 00:52:32.670 - Exactly. Right. - Yeah. Yeah. - Which is which is more important? 960 00:52:32.670 --> 00:52:34.430 Which matters more, that or money? 961 00:52:38.225 --> 00:52:41.265 - I'm going to say the pure potential because 962 00:52:41.345 --> 00:52:44.225 money is empty without it. Exactly. 963 00:52:44.385 --> 00:52:49.105 - Yep. Yeah. Exactly. So my point is when you offer people 964 00:52:49.345 --> 00:52:50.785 to experience 965 00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:53.940 and create a home for themselves 966 00:52:54.340 --> 00:52:54.980 in 967 00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.380 that energy of pure 968 00:52:57.540 --> 00:52:58.420 potential. 969 00:52:58.740 --> 00:52:59.460 Yeah. 970 00:53:00.100 --> 00:53:02.900 Is that worth charging a good amount of money for? 971 00:53:03.540 --> 00:53:03.940 - Yes. 972 00:53:04.805 --> 00:53:07.205 - Yeah. Hell fucking yeah. Right? 973 00:53:07.285 --> 00:53:10.645 Mhmm. So I want you to to really recognize 974 00:53:10.645 --> 00:53:11.605 that, yes, 975 00:53:14.965 --> 00:53:17.765 you don't have the money that you desire. 976 00:53:18.640 --> 00:53:23.680 And, of course, you don't because you had this freaking story running around that. Right? 977 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:24.800 But 978 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.960 what you have is something that's so much more valuable that you can offer to people who have a ton of money. 979 00:53:31.994 --> 00:53:34.795 So go do that and charge 980 00:53:35.755 --> 00:53:41.115 whatever your you feels right for you, but do it with complete confidence, 981 00:53:41.835 --> 00:53:42.474 knowing 982 00:53:42.714 --> 00:53:44.795 the worth of what you're offering. 983 00:53:44.795 --> 00:53:51.090 And I like, so the we've got so there's the your worth as a human being, as a being, 984 00:53:51.890 --> 00:53:54.530 is inherent. It's infinite. 985 00:53:54.690 --> 00:53:56.610 It has nothing to do with anything 986 00:53:56.770 --> 00:54:01.330 of what you do for people or what you achieve or value pride, etcetera. None of that. 987 00:54:01.795 --> 00:54:03.235 In the marketplace, 988 00:54:03.475 --> 00:54:08.675 the exchange of money is like, I offer something that is more valuable to you than it is to me. 989 00:54:08.675 --> 00:54:09.315 Right? 990 00:54:09.715 --> 00:54:10.755 Meaning like 991 00:54:11.155 --> 00:54:14.195 like to me, I love doing the thing that I do 992 00:54:14.950 --> 00:54:15.590 and 993 00:54:15.910 --> 00:54:17.030 it's valuable 994 00:54:17.030 --> 00:54:20.310 for you so you give me money. Right? So we both win. Right? 995 00:54:20.310 --> 00:54:24.950 I give something I'd rather have your money than than this. Right? Like, I I want both. Right? 996 00:54:25.350 --> 00:54:30.055 And you want the thing that I have. My point is that you can charge good amount of money for this. 997 00:54:30.055 --> 00:54:33.655 Whatever that number is for you right now, feel great about it. 998 00:54:33.735 --> 00:54:38.775 And then if there are other people that you really wanna help that don't have the money, you can do that for free. 999 00:54:39.175 --> 00:54:39.975 No. Right? 1000 00:54:39.975 --> 00:54:45.110 You make a million bucks a year selling to people who can easily afford it, and there's no problem. 1001 00:54:45.190 --> 00:54:47.030 And then you can, hey. Have, like, 1002 00:54:48.069 --> 00:54:51.910 10 scholarships or 20 scholarships or whatever. A 100. 1003 00:54:51.910 --> 00:54:55.510 I don't care for people who don't have the money. Right? 1004 00:54:56.345 --> 00:54:57.785 And then that's great 1005 00:54:58.664 --> 00:54:59.865 to do it that way. 1006 00:55:02.424 --> 00:55:04.825 There's another woman on our platform. Her name is 1007 00:55:07.865 --> 00:55:11.785 - recently. I don't think it's out yet. Do you know have you heard of her? Do you know - I have not. 1008 00:55:12.240 --> 00:55:18.000 - Yeah. - She does, like, she does collage art. That's her her thing. Yeah. But still, I kinda market. 1009 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.320 And and what she realized is that 1010 00:55:20.640 --> 00:55:22.000 people want her. 1011 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.880 Right? It's like collage is just the excuse, but what people want is her 1012 00:55:27.204 --> 00:55:27.925 because 1013 00:55:28.484 --> 00:55:32.245 that's what's attractive. Like, they want like, they want whatever that 1014 00:55:32.325 --> 00:55:36.485 she has. Right? And then the collage become becomes the vehicle, 1015 00:55:36.645 --> 00:55:38.085 but it's not what it's really about. 1016 00:55:38.244 --> 00:55:41.890 And I think she's on track to make a million bucks a year on this right now. 1017 00:55:42.130 --> 00:55:48.290 So I just want you I just wanna say that as, like, I want you to hold that as, like, that's entirely 1018 00:55:48.290 --> 00:55:49.570 possible for you. 1019 00:55:50.370 --> 00:55:54.930 And the more that you show up in the way that we that we smelled 1020 00:55:54.930 --> 00:55:56.530 and tasted here today, 1021 00:55:56.930 --> 00:56:01.705 the more people are gonna be fucking drawn to that and be like, yeah. Hell, yeah. 1022 00:56:01.705 --> 00:56:07.065 - I wanna I wanna taste of that thing. Do know what I'm saying? - Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 1023 00:56:07.705 --> 00:56:11.785 I I do. I feel it. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. 1024 00:56:12.830 --> 00:56:13.630 Wow. 1025 00:56:14.030 --> 00:56:14.830 - Yeah. 1026 00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:22.990 Yeah. 1027 00:56:26.335 --> 00:56:28.095 Let this set in, and let's 1028 00:56:28.335 --> 00:56:30.975 - let's let's go make some money. - Okay. 1029 00:56:31.135 --> 00:56:33.615 - Yeah. Maybe you can retire 1030 00:56:33.775 --> 00:56:38.975 - in six months or a year. - Instead of two instead of three years. Yeah. - Yeah. Hell, why wait? 1031 00:56:42.970 --> 00:56:43.610 Yeah. 1032 00:56:45.049 --> 00:56:48.170 - It's interesting because as you're saying things that 1033 00:56:50.490 --> 00:56:53.049 I would really love to see come true. 1034 00:56:54.255 --> 00:56:56.655 It's almost like I feel it coming in, 1035 00:56:57.214 --> 00:57:02.414 and I'm noticing, like, okay. Let it go all the way through, like, the whole nervous system. Yeah. 1036 00:57:02.414 --> 00:57:02.974 Yeah. 1037 00:57:03.694 --> 00:57:04.335 Yeah. 1038 00:57:05.214 --> 00:57:05.934 Yeah. Like 1039 00:57:06.720 --> 00:57:15.920 - And this is the practice because your nervous system, your brain's like, you know, we have these neural pathways in the brain and and yours has been for sixty years been used to going 1040 00:57:16.160 --> 00:57:18.400 some very specific paths. And now there's a gonna 1041 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.599 moment of, like, recalibrating. 1042 00:57:22.135 --> 00:57:22.775 - Yeah. 1043 00:57:23.335 --> 00:57:30.055 - For me, I was it was, like, literally the day before my fiftieth birthday two years ago that that my 1044 00:57:30.055 --> 00:57:35.095 my mentor who taught me this, his name is Peter Crone. I don't know if you're familiar with him. 1045 00:57:35.095 --> 00:57:40.560 - Yeah. - I've heard I think I've heard you speak about him. - Yes. Yeah. So he's he's incredible, 1046 00:57:40.560 --> 00:57:42.720 and he's the one that that, like, 1047 00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:49.520 revealed this for me for the first time ever, like, after having done all of the work for twenty one years. 1048 00:57:49.520 --> 00:57:50.640 Right? Yeah. 1049 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:56.375 And he was like, and for me, that was like, I did something wrong. That was the big the big one. 1050 00:57:57.175 --> 00:58:00.215 There's some other ones as well, but that was the big one for me. 1051 00:58:00.455 --> 00:58:02.695 I mean, I kinda had all of them activated, 1052 00:58:02.695 --> 00:58:05.735 but the the cornerstone was like that one. 1053 00:58:05.975 --> 00:58:06.615 And 1054 00:58:08.230 --> 00:58:14.390 and then I felt it and I felt this incredible opening. And then, like, a year later, 1055 00:58:14.950 --> 00:58:15.830 I realized 1056 00:58:16.150 --> 00:58:17.990 it was, like, on my birthday. 1057 00:58:18.550 --> 00:58:22.345 Exactly a year later, I realized, holy shit. I'm doing it again. 1058 00:58:22.345 --> 00:58:24.505 I'm do I've been doing it still since. 1059 00:58:24.585 --> 00:58:25.144 Mhmm. I 1060 00:58:25.944 --> 00:58:30.425 every single day, 30 times a day, was doing, like, I was doing some version of that. 1061 00:58:30.505 --> 00:58:32.984 So it's just like the nervous system is gonna have that 1062 00:58:33.750 --> 00:58:37.750 like, your brain, your neural wiring is gonna have that tendency to pull you back. 1063 00:58:38.070 --> 00:58:40.710 The more that you can stay aware of, like, oh, 1064 00:58:41.030 --> 00:58:44.230 these were the the the mind bugs that we discussed. 1065 00:58:44.230 --> 00:58:47.350 And when they come up, you recognize them, the faster it's gonna go. 1066 00:58:47.430 --> 00:58:48.630 But either way, you can't fuck it up. 1067 00:58:49.385 --> 00:58:53.225 - Okay. You can't do it wrong. - That's good to know. Yeah. Yeah. 1068 00:58:54.345 --> 00:58:58.505 I just had this vision of, you know, writing myself Post it notes, 1069 00:58:59.625 --> 00:59:03.869 which I do. But I feel I just need to write some like, just leaving them strategically 1070 00:59:03.869 --> 00:59:06.830 so that when that long day comes, 1071 00:59:07.549 --> 00:59:09.950 I'm like, oh, I have to I will remember. 1072 00:59:10.190 --> 00:59:12.190 It's time to remember. Yep. 1073 00:59:12.510 --> 00:59:13.230 Yeah. 1074 00:59:13.549 --> 00:59:13.869 Yeah. 1075 00:59:15.615 --> 00:59:16.255 - Amazing. 1076 00:59:16.255 --> 00:59:20.655 I'm so happy for you and so excited about the work and all the lives that you're gonna change 1077 00:59:20.975 --> 00:59:23.455 out there with your mere presence. 1078 00:59:24.095 --> 00:59:28.895 - What a blessing. - Calvin. Oh, thank you so much. I'm gonna let that in. 1079 00:59:29.295 --> 00:59:29.615 - Yeah. 1080 00:59:31.984 --> 00:59:32.784 Yeah. 1081 00:59:33.584 --> 00:59:36.064 - Thank you. Thank you so much for this. 1082 00:59:36.544 --> 00:59:37.104 Yeah. 1083 00:59:38.064 --> 00:59:38.464 Pleasure.