Hello, everybody. My name is Calvin. And with me here today, I have the wonderful, inimitable,
my Disney
- Hello, Mike. - Hello.
- Hello, Kevin. Alright. - Hi. This is so so great. I've been looking forward to this.
Actually, we we've been trying to set this up for for how long now 6 months at least, I think.
- Yeah. At least. Yes. - And then finally, you were like, okay. I'm ready to
take the next step in my business and and give up the clinic and give up the live sessions
and and only do online stuff, and I'm ready to do this webinar now. So I'm very grateful for that.
Thank you so much, Mike, for doing this.
- Thank you for letting me be in on this first.
It's
- It's really big for me. So - Awesome. - This is 1 blinking.
- Alright. Well, thank you. It's a huge scoop for everybody here to hear my my signed up
for Zen Billing.
When was it?
2 years ago, at least?
- 2 years from about 4 months ago or something like that. Yeah.
- And I remember I remember you just bursting onto the onto my support inbox and with a a ton of questions.
And it was awesome. But
my second question will just ask all the questions and it's great because then she gets all the answers and she gets shit done and and and the result you can see here.
Today
an impressive
feat that she has accomplished
and a real trailblazer
in in the field in Denmark. And I'm sure soon in the wide world.
So
- Well, I hope so.
- What I'd like everybody here on the call tonight to do is first to go into my's
website, which is myvismann dot com, I'm gonna put it in the chat room if I can figure out how to do that like that.
So that's the link to my
website in English.
And I highly encourage you to check that out and sign up for for her list.
She's got like good advice for everybody who's in a relationship, which is
most of us, and I suppose, to people who would like to be in a relationship to or have had have been in a relationship.
So I think pretty much everybody can appreciate and benefit from her advice advice.
So go in there and and check out her site, and you can see what she looks like.
And then
also,
I highly recommend that you
go to zen billing dot com. I'm gonna post that link for you as well.
And then go and sign up for an account right away. If you click
the big button that says see pricing,
free sign up. It also says no credit card required.
So you can click the button that says start your free trial
and
and doesn't really matter which when you click, just click any 1 of them and then enter your
name and email and
the country you're in and what 9 plus 9 is? I can tell you right now the answer is [CVV_1].
If just if I don't have that there, then there's gonna like, all there are all kinds of bots that create accounts, but this seems to scare them away away just enough.
And and So there's no you don't sign up for anything. You don't like, are you're not
on the hook for anything. You don't need any credit card. You don't owe me any money.
You don't have to do anything with this account. Ever.
But it's a great
tool for you to have tonight to be able to look at your own account on Zen Billing because Emma is gonna show you
because in building the interface, how it looks, what she's doing with it, and being able to just, like, click around a little bit and see what it is for yourself, as she's doing that is gonna be hugely beneficial.
So go and do that
right now.
Yes.
Click the link.
Click the button to pricing and sign up, and then create your very own Zoom billing account.
Alright. And it doesn't there is a let me just get this out of the way.
In terms of Zoom billing Zoom billing, it's
free forever
as long as you don't actually, you know, use it for your business, which means specifically
that that you can do
you can kick the tires and create your course and set everything up.
And you can take as long as you want, like 10 years if you wanted to. And not pay a single cent.
The moment you wanna start to actually send emails or take orders, those 2 things.
Send out emails to your lists or take orders from your customers, then
I need your credit card
frozen billing and then the charging starts. So there is nothing
lost by creating your account today.
And then even if you know you're not gonna use it for the next 6 months, it doesn't cost you anything just that you're gonna get a little bit more familiar with it today.
And get more value out of
this evening together.
So I think that's
the formalities
out of the way.
High again, my.
And welcome. Thank you.
So why don't you tell us a little bit about
where you're at today and and
and this big milestone that I just attended at that that you've crossed, and and what it took to get here?
- Yeah. Well, actually, I just closed down my clinic, my physical clinic and
and going hundred percent online.
It has really, really
taken a lot of thoughts because
I love my inspiration and get from our clients.
But
last year, about a 10 months ago,
I looked at my notebook
I could see that I had about a hundred and 50
work titles for articles and blogs and newsletters.
And I was just like, okay,
I'm sitting here every week doing
what I'm best at.
And I'm
actually only giving
those people here what I can do. And I have all these amazing ideas.
I have all these I have all this content in my head from my newsletters and my blogs and and and new
online workshops, but I can't get the time. Mhmm. So
about September last year of again thinking about closing down the clinic,
at least for a period.
Because
I really need to to focus online. And the Saturday I actually did and it was
as it always is when I make big big leaps,
it's very
you know, I'm I'm getting a been out of my comfort zone. That would be the nice way to to put it.
So actually, I've had now a treat
whole workdays
without plans and just working online and working on articles soon and blog posts and like that.
And it is
It's really great. Sure. It's really,
- really great. Yeah. - Cool. So in, like, just to get people an idea of of your business, so your
your work kind of your 1 on 1 work, the kind of work that you've given up has primarily been relationship counseling with with couples in a room together talking through their issues.
Is that it?
- Yeah. Actually,
- and individual coaching also - -- - Okay. -- about
6 times last and all that
- and all that. - All that's the relationship stuff. Yeah.
- Cool. - Yeah. - Yes. And so you started you started a while ago.
I remember you telling me that, like, your first products, the first product you you made were
were
interviews. Right? You had someone interview you and and then you recorded that?
- Yeah. And and actually, these days, it's about 4 years ago now.
Yeah. And I was also, like, what's 4 years ago? But it's
it's it's first, I got the idea and
I got all these
small signs, you know, I had some couples on Skype from Danish people living around the world.
They, of course, couldn't find a relationship coach speaking Danish when they live.
So they asked me if I could I could Skype with them. Mhmm. And then I had a a colleague,
a a man therapist told me that he was thinking about recording some of the sessions and, you know, and I read a book in them called the
million now thinking. Million million now thinking I think translated.
And they also talked to the 2 girls writing this book and also talked about this
digital products.
And I have never heard about it before, and I tried searching and Google and Danish and nothing came up.
So I just had, you know, what to do? Well, III
had that as some contact at a radio, I had the given someone's reviews, and I just asked the
the guy there. If I if I come up with the with the theme, And I give you some question.
Could you could you ask me then? And then we could have a talk and then we could record it.
And he was just yes, of course. And we did that. And actually, these interviews,
they were quite long.
So so I split them up and
then And 3 of them are the first 3 models in my my big online workshop, but I love you, but I hate to to ask you.
Mhmm. So it's actually quite it is still silly. Wow.
- So it's it's kinda fun. Yeah. - Yeah.
Interview is actually a great way to make a product because also it gives, like,
some some some, like, musicality, if you will, some rhythm to it.
It gets, like, it's not just your month you know, your voice, there are 2 voices, there's some dialogue, there's can add some nice dynamics to a product.
And it's an easy way to do it. Right?
- Yeah. Exactly. And I'm I'm I'm I'm doing it with with some of the girls.
I'm I'm I'm mentoring about out with this online
business, online digital product thing.
I mean and I'm actually interviewing them because a lot of people are they they don't know when it's a start.
It's like, you know,
it's like thinking I wanna I wanna write a book, but we'll help you a start. Yeah.
So so so when I tell them this, it's just like, Oh, 0, can you do that? And and can you sell it?
There's a there's a lot you can and I actually, I prefer listening to introduce.
I I love listening to introduce. Because it's it's so much easier.
And and and 1 of the best things about it is that that you can you can
you can set the scene and you can set some some some questions you like to be asked.
But but when the person interviewing you doesn't know anything about the subject,
he or she will automatically
ask you the questions
- that you take for rest of yourself. - Exactly. And and that you're And that's very cool.
- Your customer is gonna want to answer it. Yes. - Exactly. - That's genius. Sure genius.
That's a great tip to take to take home today. So what did you do to to
actually sell these interviews when you started?
What what did you do to to build an audience in the list?
- I didn't I didn't do anything because I didn't know what to do.
Seriously,
when I I was product when I when I I had this interview made.
And and and I was just like, I was standing there with the seating. I I also made them as a seating.
And I was just like,
okay. I've done this 1 now.
- And then at that point, there wasn't - So let me guess, you you you took your copies of the CD and you stood in front of the supermarket and tried to sell it to people
walking by. Is that correct?
- No. But no.
And I hadn't had the courage to do that. But IIII
when I was out speaking from people, some you know, I was tired of speaking.
I I had III
had them with me.
And some people bought them and and emailed me back and say, hey, this is really good stuff.
You know?
And
but I couldn't give them online. There was no technology in the mic at that time. So
when Alfred,
the little baby,
when he was about a half years old, I I started looking around and and I made my the the the whip man I had this time, he actually
he he built something for me and it costs
oh, 0 my god. I can't even begin to talk about it. It was very expensive and it didn't work
it it really didn't work.
And about a half years later, I
I found second billing,
and then I was just, oh my god. Oh
my god. This is
this is the answer to my question.
And and and and that was actually the first time also when I began thinking about building a list, when I entered some building about a temporary
2010.
It must have been yeah.
I had hundred and 25 people on my list.
I had really not done anything.
You know, it was when I was out speaking or something, I say, well, I have a newsletter that, you know,
people say, do you have in your sleeves? Yes, I have, but I I didn't do anything with the list.
But but now in simple, like, when I signed up for that, I could actually do something about it.
- Right. - And that was quite interesting.
So over the last
yeah.
2 years and 3, 4 months, I have built a list of over 5000 people.
- I think that is quite good. - Yeah. Absolutely.
- And and I'm I'm I'm using it every month now. Yeah. - Alright.
- Very cool. Can we see your your Zimbilling account? And are you going to show us? - Yeah. You can.
Awesome.
- Awesome.
Great.
- I just see it. Yeah. This is my sibling account. - Yeah. - And this is
actually the money I I earned this month.
Yeah. Until now?
- For half a month.
- Yeah. That's pretty good. I had a I had sales going on.
And half of the money from the sale came in this month. So that's quite good.
And over here, I'd like to see my
- subscriptions for the last past months. - Wow.
That you can
yeah.
- And I will say this month, I have I haven't done
I haven't actually done
I I hadn't worked in strategies
because I've really been focusing about closing down my clinic.
But but as you can see, there's also a lot of unsubscribes
- Right. - And at first, I panicked totally
when people unsubscribe.
But now it's just it's about 1 third that comes in, they goes out of the door, and that's okay.
- Yeah. And and I can see some of them are coming back. So so it's quite okay. - Right. - It's
yeah. And you can see this here. You're this is this is when
this is when the sale --
- Alright. - -- - sales mail?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- A lot of people - more people unsubscribe.
- I actually saw there were some of the these not with Zendesk, - but when when you make
- Yes. Word.
There's some lag here.
With other software, you actually pay per recipient you emailed to, but not with Zenbilling.
The Zenbilling 1 price, and you can email as much as you want.
But I remember there is 1 guy I was reading who who would everyone's in a row.
He would write to his list and say, dude, if you're still on my list and you haven't bought anything, get the hell off.
You know?
- Yeah.
Maybe I should try that too.
- And what he said what happened, what happened was that people wouldn't unsubscribe what they would buy.
They would start buying his stuff.
- Yeah. That's right.
Yeah. Actually, sometimes I do that in the in the
the bottom note of my my broadcast and my mails. III
say, if you don't wanna be on my list, you can unsubscribe to it because
sometimes people don't know even though it's
quite quite obvious. Same same billing when you get a meal from there where you can unsubscribe.
- And I I really don't wanna have people on my list that don't want to be there. - No. No. - My
my my my my membership club, my my big VIP membership club.
It's when they have been there for a year, it's a year payment.
After 11 months, they get a mail saying, hey, you know, in about 3 or 4 weeks,
your
your payment is going to
to chat to him again. And if you're not going to
to you what do you call it? You you you have to unsubscribe
because it will charge you automatically.
Because I don't want anyone there that that doesn't wanna be there.
I remember what it was like to be in a club or something like that. I forgot to.
And they were sending me a quote too.
- Yeah. But I don't wanna do - that. Right.
- So I only want people in buying more products that that and and being in my membership with clubs that wants free.
Right? Yeah.
- But this guy's point, the the 1 the story I just told, the point was he was, like, if you're if you subscribe to my list, it's because there's something that you want it to get out of it.
And if you're not buying my stuff, then I can't really help you achieve what you want.
- So why are you wasting your time? You know? - Yeah. Get - over the list or buy. Anyway,
yeah, I'd like to buy that 1 day.
Yeah.
- Alright. - And you have to block a block about it afterwards. - Yes. Yeah. How it worked? Mhmm.
So Yeah.
Yeah. Can you show us,
like, what what does the day look like for you? What do you do in here? What kind of
campaigns or your your products? What do they look like?
- Well, actually, the first thing I do in the morning right now and I don't wanna show you that because
it's it's a list.
But I am checking
the waiting list for the next get your 6 driver bag and keep it full life. That is open up in Danish
in the fifth of August.
And I'm going III don't wanna click on the the link now because then you can see what who the people have assigned that and or that's pretty private.
Okay. But but that that's actually 1 of the first thing I do in the morning. And I'm just
So to ping out, you know, over to the right, how many subscribers
has come and how many subscribers. It's just I'm just curious about that.
You can see today, from yesterday and today, it's about a loan. That's that's an okay day. Yeah.
I would say that.
And then
well, if I'm sending out a broadcast,
I will go in there.
It's a pretty slow computer I have here. I can see.
Yeah.
And here is
the next newsletter.
I have
I wanna send out to. I have always
so this is this is draft. The draft. So so I can always go out and see here.
Next time I send out new letters, how many people would that be?
- And it's just funny for me to know how many it is. - Yeah. - And
The only you can see I have for the queue, a broadcast.
It's the broadcast for the 2 membership clubs I have.
VIP and
- what you call a translated club. - Club love. Club love? - Club love. Or something like that?
Relationship club. Yeah.
And VIP relationships are.
And this is the broadcast with with me. That is a Danish expert in
aware parenting actually
conscious
parenting. Mhmm. And she is she is really an expert in talking about difficult
feelings.
So I've made a really, really good interview with her. And that is coming out the the first of July.
- Awesome.
- And then when I click on that, the
body of the broadcast,
and it says, dear first name. Welcome to July month theme.
To cope with the difficult emotions, where I'm interviewing
a
med that is a psychologist.
Working with a web parenting
and
a little
chit chat for me.
And so I'm going to the membership club I have.
So and then again,
I see you first of August.
They get mail every month.
And then they get a mail so they can download and they also get a mail that says it's it's in the the space.
It's in the the closed online forum. And as you can see right now, I have about 211
people in my membership club. Lots of people ask me that. And
It's quite a mess. That membership
club's
money rolling down from heaven.
It isn't
It's it's tough work.
And in the this is the what do you call silver version? It's slash 33 people. And this is a special
1 I made
where there are 2 people at
where they can get 1 month for free.
I don't use it anymore, but there's still 2 people that are hanging on.
And then I have the this is from my VIP. I have 178
members of that.
- And - that's going to be interesting because the French of July, actually, I am going into the second year of VIP.
Yeah. So so so now it's it's going to be fun. A little more fun. Yeah.
- Cool. I think you're gonna like I I think I'm ready to launch tomorrow
the the new pricing features, which would let you do things like
make the price
go lower year after year, for example, as a way to encourage people to stay on board.
- Yeah. That's totally cool. I read about it. And and then I was just yes. And
I have to say that this is 1 of the thing I love about same billing. It is that
we can contact you, Caren, and we can we can come up with these ideas.
And you can say, oh, well, that sounds That sounds pretty cool. I
I work on it.
And actually, if you work on it and then something like this come up and it's it's getting better all the 2 years happening in the same family.
It's like
always developing.
Always and it's so cool. It's so cool because I feel like a part of it. I feel like
like the things I need
being my needs have been listening to and and and taken care of.
And and and that is why when people say, oh, it's not quite expensive and I'm just oh, hell no.
Let's say it's not please. It's it's really not because when I hear just about
when I hear other people talk about their main programs
and how much they pay and and when when they talk about the custom service and the things they want different or something like that, they can't get it.
And I'm just like, well, I'm just I'm just going into the forum and just ask Helen and maybe he says yes, no, maybe he says no, but let's just ask.
So
- That that's 1 of the thing a real love person to film. - Well, I'm so glad to hear that.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
I I'm I'm blessed with such amazing customers, and
I just love love
what you are doing and and
and my other customers and like, so I just get inspired by by the things you're doing.
Like, as long as I understand what you're trying to achieve and why, it's like,
awesome. Yeah. Let's see if we can make that happen.
- Yeah.
Mhmm. Do you wanna see a
- a space? - Yeah. What does your whole thought look like? Yeah. That looks as you have. - Yeah.
Yeah.
The the VIP
membership club is here. Mhmm.
And and when they enter and and this is it it looks
it looks difficult to to
managing, but
it really is
This 1 they insert, they can see this little video
with me. Well, I'm saying welcome, and I have
written something down here.
So they can change the username if they wanna use the the forum that is up here
where they can talk to each other. And then here, it's possible
means in a relationship.
I have
I've listed all my my products, and as you can see, it's
It's a it's a lot.
- Quite a list here. - Yeah. So if you wanna listen to something about yeah. Quite a list.
A relationship, and this is where I love you, but I'm so
freaking tired of acne.
Quick guide for better communication.
There are 3 transformational
tools that would stop
discussion,
And, you know, I'm sorry how to say sorry, the truth about how you you
how can how to say that, Colin,
the truth about
getting the relationship in in good shape again when you have hurt your your girlfriend or your boyfriend.
Mhmm. There's something about
families and, you know,
there's a specific clause here that I know
a lot of
- What do you I don't know the name, but in when you give birth, Chachaz - -- Mhmm.
- -- - the the lady helping you out with that. - What's the the midway
- And
the yes. The mid web a lot of midwives has asked me if they could use this specific course when they
they teach parenting about
going into this new phase of the life with a little baby.
And I know that it's been used over hospitals and then back, let's That's awesome. Right? That cool.
- Yeah. - Yeah. - And then there is lots awesome. So actually, people can just go in and
hear hear about the sex life.
There's
interviews
and all that stuff. And then there is
about you. And this is more about how you feel about yourself and that's of course about
jealousy
and if you're single.
And I have something about masculinity, which in the in Denmark, actually, is kind of a kind of a problem.
Girls
and ladies are very masculine and a lot of guys aren't. And that can
that's that can give some problem in relationships. Mhmm.
And then there there there's also a lot here. So if I
show you I could show you I let you put up
charter and content. And
as you can see, the modules are here.
Come let's talk to Gilles, we have.
Hey, what's that problem?
I love you. Let's
stop again.
Expect for me if I have to be a girlfriend forever.
And
this is this is audio modules.
And then there is the workbook down here that they can move they can download.
So over here, it can manage. So actually, I just push the button,
and then
this little something comes up. And I'm just you know, I can
add a media file.
This is the latest file, the 1 the interview with Meta, and I can add that.
That just comes to cut up there,
and I can delete it again.
So it's it's really easy to use, I think.
And when it when it is there and and people have access, they can go in here, Erin,
if yeah. 24 7.
They just have their log in and, you know, it's just it's working.
And it's it's really good for my customers because
lot of them like just, you know,
locking in on their iPhone, driving to work, or maybe they have a work where they don't
have to be on all the time. And then they can just log in and listen.
And if you listen to the same thing twice, if you need that, then, you know,
- Yes. - So this is what it looks like.
That's a space. And I'm very, very easy for me to use. And and and people always
ask me and say,
may you just
very technical, and I'm just, no, I'm not really I'm I'm not I've I've I've just taken some small steps, you know, I I I've learned it.
But but but just
1 1 step at the time, you know, kind
of learning by fooling around and thinking
- it's That's a - great question. - Yeah. Because I learned something and yeah. Wonderful. Right? Yeah.
Because I learned something and and and when it's actually and and mentoring people, it's just like, But, wait, how how can we come up and and be on your level?
And I'm just, like, well, just take the first first step. Yeah.
You really just have to take you you the the 1 thing I always tell them is
keep walking.
You know, you you just have to keep walking
- Right. - What is the next step you have to do? Then do it. And then there there is very big difference
in being
stressed
and being productive.
- Yes. - And
actually yeah.
But lots of people are stressed. And they are not producing anything.
- So I had this - I had this realization just recently because I was here as you know, I live in India right now, but we're leaving India at the end of this month.
And and so I have this wonderful
motorcycle. I'm a complete cliche.
I'm like 39 recently divorced and remarried, and I of course, I have a motorcycle. Right? It's yeah.
You gotta have 1, like, almost 40. So
so I wanted to go on a bike trip here in India on the on the motorcycle before we leave.
And so it I, like, thought I was so stressed out.
I had all these things going on and, like, a launch in the, like, this and all all kinds of things.
And I was like, alright screw it.
I'm just gonna go for 3 days and I organized my calendar so I have 3 days free. And I was like,
there wasn't a thing that didn't
get done that needed to get done. I got everything everything done.
And I took 3 days completely out of the calendar.
And had I been home working? I would have been stressing over all the things I had to do. Right?
But you realize, well, it's not much, really. It's just Sometimes, it's a lot of stress.
So, yes, I feel comfortable.
- Exactly. And and and And the life IIII
live today, and and what I actually tried to do, III am very proud to say that I'm actually living my dream life right now.
- I I have decided I won't work more than 3 hours a day these days, these first weeks. - Congrats. Yeah.
- And everything. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. It's because I'm productive.
So so every every day when I'm finished,
I write a list, what do I have to do the next day?
What is who do I have to call? What do I have to produce
today around 2
2 applicants to blacks for
a big
baby block in Denmark.
And
I know exactly what to do. And I have
it's very
very small list, but I'm being productive.
And and that's the
I I would I would actually say that's the the
the most important thing in in in my success is that that I'm doing something that that
maybe give results or maybe not, but I'm doing something.
I'm producing something.
That could be newsletter, that could be article, that could be for for other blocks, that could be for my own blocks, that could be I'm giving a x and j, give a radio interview also.
It could be a radio interview.
I'm doing my
q and a on my my side, I'm doing something
always taking 123
- steps every day. - Right. - Because you will get there. You will get there.
But but but 1 of the things I think that is very problematic
and then my and actually, I have this feeling that is kinda worldwide.
There are there are many myths about this online.
Online life,
if you could say an online
product.
So talking with 1 of my very, very good friends the other day, and and and she's actually in a mentor.
Group right now with 1 of the the world's famous
men doing online products.
And
and he he told her that not many are living
of online pro products.
- Right. - And and and that is that is kind of interesting because
because that is what we all dream about. Mhmm.
If you
and and and
and and it it it really sounds
easy to do, you know. It really sounds easy and it's an easy way. It's
and and it isn't. And and and I I when I when I went to to do my research for this
international side. I was just like, I told my boyfriend mess, I said, oh, you know, oh my god.
I'm going
I'm going to look for this tomorrow. And, you know, I really
I really think I'm going to meet lots of people doing what I'm doing,
but I'm not
III really can't find anyone doing what I'm doing
the way I do it, international.
- Right. - They can't. - You know? - So
so So I think that that that that that that this myth about that it is easy.
I know a lot of people starting up and, you know, making 1 digital product
making an ebook or and and they think that that that when they've done that, it would sell itself.
- Yeah. - And that is not correct. So so there's this myth about if you just make this product,
you will earn
billions and billions of dollars
Yeah. But but but you want
because the product
- doesn't sell itself. - Right.
- You have to have lots of traffic to your side, and and that you can do something about.
But but but there there are some things And and what I see is that people
when they first when they when they have done the digital products, they
they are
they are very disappointing in how
how long time it takes for them to sell.
And how difficult it could be to sell if you haven't haven't got a big list or you haven't got massive traffic to your side or, you know, so
So IIIII
- think it's about time that that that someone actually that's the truth - -- Yeah.
- -- - to say that that that this is a lifestyle
this is this is a way of working.
It's it's not just
it's not just, you know, make a little e book and sell it for a hundred crowns and
and then you you can lean back and book a a trial to say Thailand.
- Right. - It's not. But you have to do there are some strategies you can use and and and
and you have to use them. You have to get traffic, and you have to make it easy for yourself.
And that's where same building comes in. But but I get you see the dash. Now this myth about it.
Did you know have have you met them? Kelsey?
- Yeah. Absolutely.
Well, I mean, there are many there are many people who profit from trying to make it sound like it's just like so easy and and almost automatic.
No. It's it it takes there's a lot of skill set team that you need to master. Right?
You need to know your your stuff, obviously, but you also need to understand
how to, like, how to define
an audience, a niche, how to reach them, how to, like, write how to write sales copy, how to write relation you know, the the stuff that you write in your newsletters.
And how to record, how to put it up. All these things
that you need to understand. But I think this the biggest thing and the reason I chose this
kind of title or phrase for this
conversation that we're having here tonight is
what Steven Pressfield calls TurningPro.
That you wake up your mind that you're gonna do this and you're you're you're in it as a professional,
not as someone who's just dabbling it.
And I think that's what has so impressed me with you that from the beginning,
you've been like, you've you've been, you know you know, learning by fooling around but you've stuck stuck with it.
Right? You've -- Yeah.
-- you've written your stuff, you've you've just kept writing, kept doing interviews, kept going out there, putting yourself out there,
putting yourself in front of an audience.
And and I know for a fact that there have been, you know, from you that you there's been many times where it's not been so fun and where, you know,
people have been upset with you for various reasons and and things like that.
And you've been like, okay, that hurt a hell of a lot, but you get up the next morning and you and you chucked along.
You continue. Right?
- Yeah.
Exactly. And and and and and I it it took me about
I would say last
Last summer, I I had enough of all these experts.
Really,
I was sick and tired of paying
lots of money for people telling me what to do. And I didn't
I I at that time, I was really working hard you know, I had my clinic. I had this workshop.
I had to arrive every every month for for my membership tops, and and I had to
I was really I was working my butt off, and I'm a mom too, you know.
And I'm actually someone's girlfriend.
So I I
- My question - is about relationship. You're relationship - with folks. Relationship. Yes.
And I have a little boy, and I have a big a teenager too. And, you know,
I'm a mom, and and I was just
I was working so hard, and I was really,
as you call it,
work and grow.
I was I was I wanted to do this because I at that time, III got some mails from people, but it was not that awesome.
And
and
thanking me for my online calls, you know.
And I was just I I was sick and tired of doing all these things that people told me to do and and with very little results,
and I got very, very upset.
I was I I remembered so clearly, I went up and my gun
Luckily, I live very far out on the countryside.
And I was just screaming
like assholes.
I was crying and it was just
enough.
Enough is enough. And I remember I called my boyfriend and he's working
in the Danish Air Force, and I was just, you know, I need to talk to you and I need to talk to you right now.
And I was just saying, you know, I have to do this my only.
- No more experts telling me what to do. - Yeah. - III need to do this my own way. And then I did.
- And the funny thing is it worked. - Yeah. I think that - is so cool.
- 1 of the 1 of the things that we tend to forget is that all of us are also customers. Right?
We we can ask ourselves how do I wanna be spoken to? How do I wanna be marketed to? Right? Yeah.
And and we can find a lot of answers there.
- Yeah. Exactly.
And and and I I was seeing myself in a position where actually had more
knowledge about online marketing and I actually had more experience about
- making online courses than the people trying to teach me. - Right.
- Yes. - And and and I was just
fuck you all. I'm sorry my language.
But but really, I was so angry And and and our sister, I'm I'm now now I'm doing this my own way.
And I did and I did what's so right for me and I wrote new newsletters my way.
1 of the the big Danish guys in Denmark that has probably exported an email marketing.
Phone phone me and and read my stuff and and and he's I I love him. He's a great guy.
And every time I I wrote my mails
to people, he wrote them danks.
Maybe this is just too long. You know, people I'm gonna read this. It's too long.
That's just well, if they don't like my style, they can just go over my list. Yes. You know,
and and the funny thing is that it actually for about a month ago or 2III saw some
some
sort of block
with some expert in the in email marketing talking about that. Now long emails are
- that stuff. So - Oh, cool. I'm glad you guys are right very long too. - Yeah. You're right long too.
But it's just like, you know, IIII really had I I had this
- I had to take the power back to me - -- - Yes. - -- - and really stand in in in in in my own
knowledge and say, this is me, and I wanna do it this way.
- And if people wanna follow me, I would love to - Yeah. - But I have to do this in my way.
- Yeah. - And maybe it's long emails. Maybe it's short the email. Maybe it's email where I'm cursing and
I am. Sorry.
And and maybe, you know, maybe, you know, when I'm joking and and but but but I need to do this my way.
- Right. - Period.
And that made
- so made a change. Yeah. - That's so cool. That's so important. Thank you for sharing that.
I just wanna ask you
to the to the listeners here,
if you have questions,
type something in the box with your question and and and I can bring it up or we can bring you online and you can ask the question directly.
But start to put your name in that box right now.
I wanted to ask you my
I know you can't show us the forum here because you you're not gonna you don't wanna show you know, the actual people who are in your course.
But how do you find that the form here works?
And and you've chosen other people many people these days put their, like, kind of, forum on Facebook and things like that.
Can you tell us about how that works for you?
- What kind of forum do you mean? - The forum
The discussion forum on the as part of your club.
- Oh, but I can show you in the I think that
Here,
people use
people
- use other names. You know, they can change their username. - Oh, okay.
- So they're they're called in VIP. Alright. This year? - You have a lot of the discussion?
- It's cool because you can't recognize them. - Alright.
- Yeah. Something is happening here. - Right.
Cool. It works as, like, you know, a private.
Alright. Anything else that you'd like to share and show?
I'm not hearing anything my maybe you are.
Am I the only 1 who can't hear anything?
Nothing. Maya, are you there?
We're not hearing anything.
We lost her.
My you're gone
offline, it says. My is offline. Damn it.
Alright.
Palmer,
let's see if if she comes back online.
Oh, there she, there she is.
So
while we're waiting
for my to come back,
- Like I said, you have questions. - Can you hear me now? - Yes. We can hear you now.
Thanks for we missed you a lot.
- Yeah. I missed you too.
But I don't think you you can't see my screen now, Tanya?
- I see I think you I see, like, from your old account or something. I don't know.
Well, maybe I can make the new you presenter.
- Okay.
- I think I can. There we go.
Now new new my is presenter.
- Robin is asking - I think I can see my step.
- Can you tell us some of the unique ways you've put together your courses, memberships, or content that goes against the industry standard?
- Did you get that person? - Yeah. I would say
yeah. I I use
expert interviews
very much.
- Mhmm.
- I would say I would I have 3 months with the experience of you, so I'm gonna make a house myself.
And I am I am I when when I say interview and meetings of you, I I'm not
I'm not cutting something out.
I I like the the flow that comes to a minute to you, and it's just,
you know,
I I always tell the people I answered you just just talk and, you know, don't don't
don't imagine someone's listening. And
and and and and and it's working quite well.
And it's it's also an easy easy way to create really, really good content.
It's really easy because
you you the the
- the most people love to talk about their passion. - Right.
- And then III
used to ask I I asked them,
what 10 questions shall I ask you about this concept?
So they they actually make the concept themselves.
Yes. And then we
- they provide - the questions. - Because they know what they want. Yeah.
They they know what what they wanna talk about. Specific.
- And what they experience is the problem specific, and I'm learning really much about it. - Right.
- So I'm interviewing them over Skype and recording it and, you know, and and I would say that when I do the expert interviews, it's
it takes me about
maximum
5 hours
to to have
- 1 theme, 1 month. Attraction. - That was very cool.
Robin has a follow-up, which is, do you pay your experts for the interview?
No. No.
- No. Mhmm. - I have III have asked them some some of them
when I started out, I didn't quite see myself as an expert.
So I was just like, oh, can I I want I I would like to pay you and put people they they didn't want money would just they were so happy that I would use them
and use their knowledge and spread their knowledge? So so now I'm not no.
- And it's part of marketing it's marketing for them as well as well. Right?
- I - mean Yeah. Really much. And and and lots of them
you know, in the VIP membership club,
the
theme of the month, it's it's it's it's staying there. So if they have
if they have an online course, they wanna give some
coupon code or a special offer at a book. It it it it is there all the time.
So they they get traffic
from there to
- Yes.
And then Robin says, do I and then you sell these interviews as part of your product? Yes. Exactly.
That's what you do. Right?
- Yeah. Exactly. I
my little membership club I have, where you only get the team, you don't give all
the stuff I made. But you only get the the theme of the month. 1 of the first months, I have this
it's about it's 2 years ago now. I made an online course about
a theme about jealousy. Mhmm. And afterwards,
and and there were lots of members
I think I got a third year of order. I mean, it was because I had this theme of that, Jelis.
And afterwards, a checklist theme, and I was thinking if I want to make make it even better.
If I want to make this product even better, what can I do? So I interviewed a psychologist.
About self esteem and jealousy, and I interviewed
my colleague here.
I mentioned before the manager appears about men and jealousy, and I interviewed a a couple of his therapist about
the the classical
thoughts you have when when you're jealous.
So that's 3 expert interviews
and an online course.
And
- so so there there lots of value for the money. - Right.
- And and and and what I always think is when when this is done, it is going to be there all the time.
You know?
And and actually, afterwards, I have also made a a webinar where they couldn't the people that have bought this course and people on my list, they could ask me question about jealousy.
- And I, of course, recorded it and now it's also a part of the the product. - Alright.
Very cool. And so are you available for interviews as well?
- If I am.
Yeah. Yeah. Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah. Always.
- Love talking about my my passion. - Yeah.
I'm I'm just gonna go go in the record and say that I'm available for interviews as well.
If anybody anybody that wants to do interviews.
Yeah.
So, like, say say that I'm like, I'm hoping this, and I have like, okay.
I wanna I wanna do what you're doing. I wanna, like, have this build my list and I wanna
create a club and start to sign up members. How would I do that with them? Is that billing?
Just can you, like, give us the the super short?
- What should I start? Let's filling
- Oh, yeah. - Yeah. Let's, like, let's look at, you know,
a list and you you need the list and you need the product and you need the space. Right? That's
- Well, actually, I
Recently, I found a a quick wait to to get a a list quick, actually. I'm I'm doing a lot of webinars
these days. Mhmm. And free webinars And that's a really, really good way to
- to get people on your list. - Mhmm.
- And it's a good way to spread your knowledge and say, hey, I'm so cool and what I'm doing -- Right.
- -- - and you can always record it.
So so that's a way But but, yes, I would I would I would make a list and I would
put put the link on my website and I would make a cool freebie
- Right. - Get a pop up and
- get people to sign up. Yeah. - Nice.
And so the when you do the webinars,
- you you do this screen share or you just do the voice alone and and - I only do the voice. Right.
I am I'm I'm I'm really not good at multitasking.
- And where do I can learn? - And where do you tell people about your webinar?
Facebook. Facebook.
- Okay. - Yeah.
And and and the good thing is that even if only 10 people sign up for the webinar, I recall it.
- Right. - And I have it. Yeah. And I can use it as a bonus from a freebie. I can use it as a freebie.
Oh, you you 1 of the things I think that also
a part of me being successful at what I'm doing here is that that I'm I'm I'm thinking long term strategies
and not short term.
I I have met lots of people, as I've told before, like membership clubs, and they're just like, well, I have to this is an easy way to make money.
Well, it it depends
if you if you think
- long term, maybe it could be easy, but but not a short term. - Right. Do you - know what I mean?
You know, it's like
think how can I use this again? How can I do this? What can I use it for afterwards?
What can I who can I offer it to
reuse reuse reuse?
- Right. Yes. Absolutely.
And, like, yeah, like,
it's part of the turning pro, again, is is like deciding that you're in it for the long haul, that you're you have a longer time frame.
You're not
You're not doing this for a quick win.
You're doing it because this is the business you wanna do and you're willing to invest time and effort to put it together.
- You have a Yeah. - IIII
get I'm sure I get something because 1 of my my big products
ask you.
Like,
it was like I was just thinking that I would still
really, really much. And actually, I was crying the first
lots of months when when it when it went to when III made a new lunch to
2 years ago, it would be now. Yeah. But but if you look at the sale now,
if you look at the sale and if you look at at at how much actually paid for this course,
The first launch wasn't
I sold 8 or 10 or something like that. But but now,
You know? And and that's
that's because I was so frustrated back then because I was thinking
- short term. - Yes. - I was thinking
I need I need money now. I was I was actually acting out of fear,
and I was acting out of what people have just told me see that I could
IIII
would get and and that was that was not quite quite
right.
You know, people told me I would have I don't have a higher sale, but but looking back now and and selling 8 or 10 or to the the little list I actually had at that time was amazing.
It was
It was really amazing looking back, but back then because my expectations were so high.
I was just I was so disappointed
But looking now, 2 2 years later, I have I've sold
- over 400 -- Right. - -- from work that you did 2 years ago. Right? Basically.
- The only thing I have done with this is that I have put in some bonuses.
- Right.
Yeah.
And you've You know when and you mentioned it every couple every once in a while in an email or something like that.
Right?
- Yeah. I I it it go you can see up here. I have sales like here.
In May, I have sales
and there was something here. I have some sales.
No. This was
this was not this was from another block. I remember
metal blocks sold it for me. And this is for the sale, I just made
some of pretty some sale. I just made it. So so
so I also put it on seconds or 3 times a year, and that's that's really good, you know.
And I make other people sell it for me as you can see.
Get pro present affiliates.
- Cool.
Steve was asking,
- is it possible to - But it is the long term. Yeah.
- Is it possible to create a q and a session slash area for members with
Zoomspaces?
And I'm just gonna answer that. Yes. That is
the forum tab that we just saw briefly before,
that would be the q and a session area. Right?
- Yeah.
And also, I do in my in my in my membership.
As you can see here, if I go under the last
I have
a live call
with them, and I just used to go to webinar. And, of course,
I recorded it. And
you can go in here, LLC, on fidelity,
Something about the I'm not sure if I'm homosexual. Mhmm.
About 2 hours? And I recorded it, and then you can remembers can listen to it afterwards.
But I used to go to go to go to webinar. Mhmm.
- And they were just signing up from from inside the space. Yeah. - Right. Cool.
I got a a few questions
by email before we started.
Yeah.
And that is asking,
how do you prioritize
what you spend money
on when you when you're starting out.
Like, there are so many people who are who are offering, like, marketing and graphics and homepages
- and - courses of all kinds of things. And and, like, how do you choose what to what to invest in?
- Well, I'll
looking back,
I I would rather say because
I'm I'm kinda thrilled that that when I
I want something I want something and I buy Experian
as I told you before.
But but when I'm entering people now, I'm just I'm about about this online business.
I'm just saying to them, get a simple breakfast
Single single WordPress
site,
web and your content, get a q and a or broadcast access to call in Danish,
make some good articles,
blogs,
and and
and and get
a news newsletter.
And the easy way to make a newsletter is actually just to to say, hey, I wrote this new article on the new block.
And then put the third a third of the the the black post in the newsletter and then link to the blog because you want people to go to your blog because that's when they can buy something.
And they can read even more and Google love when you have people on your blog.
So please don't put the whole blog post in your newsletter. But but I would I would work on that.
- And I would work on the strategies of getting people on my list. - Mhmm.
- This is really when she asked for me, it was when I really started to working on getting traffic to my side, and I would
I I would actually say I'm pretty good at getting traffic at my side and getting my list built because
Lots of people make that mistake that they begin producing
- huge digital products before they have a list. - Yeah. - But who are they going to sell it to? - Yeah.
- You know,
and and and
and and lots of people also make this mistake that they make and a big online course and they don't know what people want.
- Mhmm. Yes. - They don't know. They have an idea.
You'd see, I I have the I love you, but I'm so tired of acquiring.
And
people are buying this, but when but But but the symptoms
in the relationship
when you can't talk together is that the sex drive is low. Mhmm.
The the living room is low. So I would say that is 1 of the reason that my
my biggest success get your 6 drive bag and keep it full life is still even more.
Because this is what they
- this is the problem. - This this - is what - they're experiencing. - That's the pain they're experiencing.
Yeah. And
But that's not keeping me away from teaching them to communicate in mutual thought.
- Right. Of - course. Yes. - They have to learn this. But I - would say to, like,
focusing on on on building the list
is is key.
The list once you have the list, you can ask them what they need.
You can you can ask them questions. And you can say, hey, how can I support you? How can I help you?
What do you need from me? What would you like?
What like, tell me exactly the kind of product you would like me to create, and I'll create it for you.
- Right? - Yeah.
What is your biggest problem?
- Yes. - Just ask them. You can make a a survey.
- In terms of I see so many people who when they start out, they, like,
I just made this video series with a metaphor of the mountain of fear.
Like, there's so many things that you invent
in your head that you think you need to do, you need to have this gigantic website, and it needs to be expertly designed, and it needs to have all these pages and all this content, and you need someone to design it, you need someone to build it and someone to write all the stuff for you and like blah blah blah or now, you know, and I now I need to take all these copywriting courses and all that stuff like, No.
You just need basically 1 page
and, you know, a sign up button, sign up box. And you can even actually with Actually, no. Yeah.
Well, no. Anyway
Well, you could theoretically start building your list with the Zenbox, and you can't send them in emails without paying, but you could actually theoretically start building it without paying anything.
Yeah. But then, like,
you don't need all the stuff that you think you do you need. You just need like,
what's the simplest thing you could possibly get away with? I have this tracer bullet metaphor.
That some of you may have seen.
If not, I can send out the the the link to that video again after the call.
But, like, the tracer bullet is is this idea of what's the simplest, smallest thing I can do to get
to through to the other side, which could mean
get people to subscribe to my list.
Or it could mean get them to buy just 1 product from me so that you know that you've you've hit something here.
You've hit something that people need. You've hit something that works.
- Exactly. And and and and III just wanna say that that
that just because there there aren't a lot of people living in the world
great of of online products
for private people. There's a big difference in selling
like, I'm doing this private and selling
for this. It's easier to to learn.
It's easier to make money, learning people how to make money than it is too.
- To to sell to private. - Yeah. - It is my experience and people I talk about it.
It's also their their experience. But but
but but but But what I see is that the people make 1 product or they make a membership club.
And and because they have this myth about, it's going to be very very easy and giving them very, very much money in very short time.
They give up. And it's just, no. Don't give up.
Just keep on going. Yeah.
You know? Ungoing.
It will. And you will get there.
- But but but I see that people give up because they don't because they have this myth about it's going to be set up and I'm going to create money - -- Right.
- -- - quick and all this thing.
And and and and they're panicking also out their website and do do is it because they need another graphic?
Or should a split test? Or should a
and and and and something that they have office phones in the air? And they can just you know,
we can't focus and and I'm just like, just take 1 step at the time.
You you don't need need a fancy fancy website. You can get it when you're a lot of money. You know?
Actually, my American website,
my international website, my wisdom dot com, as you look at, it hasn't been very expensive.
I I think, actually, I bought it for about 6000 Danish krones.
- For about a - I don't see about - a thousand dollars. - Yeah. Yeah. And actually, III paid it in rates.
Yeah.
And that was what the graphic
it's a it's a brilliant thing ish
women called Vbikat. That that made that for me.
And and it's very beautiful. I love it. It's I was crying when I saw it because, oh, yes. It's me.
It's Oh, yes.
But it's just like
just do
you you have to take the next step and it doesn't have to be perfect.
- I also find that that, like, people tend to focus a lot on these. Like, then it's like SEO
or it's, like,
Oh, we gotta have, like, landing pages or split tests or, like, we've, like, focus on, like, the technology
and systems and it needs to be Oh, bacon professional and complicated stuff
as opposed to
to being like human and being like, oh, you know what?
I have a list maybe like 30 people, for example.
But these are actual human beings. I can talk to them. I can relate to them.
We can just, you know, It's just you and I. Let's figure this out together.
We don't have to make make it into this whole machinery of of the weird, you know, dehumanized
stuff that goes on.
- Yeah. And and it is so important to remember that this
this is people
you serve.
This is people that has signed up because they want to know something.
They they they they want to learn from you. You are serving them. They are not serving you.
You are serving them. Correct. You are giving them what you know.
You are the 1 giving them something.
And if you are lucky and you're doing your shit good, they will give you money in return at some point.
But if they aren't giving you money in return, you are still a pack making an impact in their lives.
They maybe they have used your trade tips for better communication,
and and they are not having
- have had an Accu in 3 months. You know - -- - Right.
- -- - you just you we are serving these people, and that's
really important to remember.
- That brings me onto another another topic which is 1 of my favorite which is I I being on the technology side of this, I get a lot of people who are like, how can I make sure nobody nobody steals my car?
Content, nobody's deal with my product. And my answer is always, like, you can't.
The only you can make it more difficult
But the people you're really punishing are your your actual paying customers.
You're making it more difficult for them to consume your stuff.
In an attempt to prevent a few,
you know, rotten apples from stealing your content.
And the fact is that the people who get your content without paying for it,
they're they're like
from Karmic loss and from from like
scientific laws like the placebo effect and stuff, they're never gonna get as much value from it as if they were paying.
That's just a fact they don't. But the other thing is that
they probably weren't gonna pay you anyway.
So you haven't lost anything. You they're not like, they weren't gonna give you money anyway.
So the fact that they get your content without paying. It doesn't it doesn't cost you a cent.
- It doesn't cost you anything. Right. - Right.
And, Calvin, you can even say, maybe they talk Maybe the few dogs and some that they talk about this because I I have actually experienced this.
- A lady wrote to me that says, I know I have done something that is not good. - Yes. - I have
I have listened to it. GLC
digital product.
At my girlfriend.
- Yes.
- And,
you know, not they wanna love us.
But but she's just she she she logged in and I could listen it at her place.
III would really like to buy it, and I would like to buy sessions.
- Yes. Mhmm. - There you go. - Yes.
- So they - will be buying this that product or something else or or they recommended to someone who then buy it and, like, And if nothing else, at least you've served, you've helped someone who wasn't in a position
either because she's gonna afford to pay you or
or she wasn't in a mindset position where she that was something that she could do in her life.
So so there's nothing lost from this.
Like, You know, people don't generally, people don't like to steal.
Like, they wanna they wanna pay people, especially when they're real people like like you. Right? So
it's just not not really an issue.
We had 1 more question.
Which was
also Annette as asking,
how long time do you think it will take when you from you like, would you say take from you start out till you make around, like, 50 you know, 20000
dollars a month, for example, 50000 grower. 10000 dollars.
What what does it take and how long does it take does it take?
- I know you can't answer like Specifically, but - Yeah.
Because it it I'll say it depends it depends on how productive you are.
And if you have 1 on 1 session
and if you have
maybe
membership club and
some group coaching and you you have an online webinar too. Well,
III think you could do that in a better idea or something like that, but you need to know what to do and you need to to to to really work hard to create some good content
to your to your list and get people on your list because that's where you get your customers.
And
and
and and and focusing
on on making good content through website. So the when people come through website, they think,
oh, Christ. Why haven't I met her before?
- This is the this is the 1 this is the 1 where - have you been my whole life.
- Right?
Yeah. Yeah. And and and and and and and they can only get that feeling if you have
good stuff
on your website. And I'm not talking about hundred blog posts. You can start up with 10 or 15.
Right? 1 a month.
You know, and and and and have AAAQ and a on your way.
They can send you a mail and and you can answer that question. It's also
huge help for you have a q and a on your website because you you really learn your market, your target market.
You really know
what kind of problem they have. So you wanna have a q and a on your website.
- I don't know if you want to have that. - Yes. That's a good point.
- And and it's an easy way to create content. So I would I would I would I would say if you
if you if you are productive and if you focus on making good content to your website, you have a freebie and you have a pop up.
And
you you
make
maybe 5 or 7 auto responses to your to your path, but good auto response.
They email, they automatically send out, you know, with good content.
- So when people send you happiness, like, - a few days later, they get 1 more email.
- And then if a few days later or a week later they get another, that kind of thing. - Yeah. Exactly.
Keep educating them. Keep educating them. That's why they are unknowns.
They want to be educating in Indonesh.
Right. Exactly.
So you have to
you you you have to show people you you you you can do what what you you can help them. Right.
And you do that by writing on your website and communicating with the audience.
- I think for if I were to answer the question, I would say, from from me, it took from my start started
looking into this kind of online teaching online course stuff in the beginning of 2008
until I actually was able to make a living. It took me pretty close to 9 months
to a year before I got to that point. But
with ZenBilling as a as a separate sole business, which is software, obviously,
that took me 2 years to get to a point where where it's it's making
a a reasonable income.
So I think the biggest point is
is
to be committed to it, to be like, I This is this is something I really wanna do, and it may take
3 months and it may take 2 years or 3 years, but I'm committed to making it happen.
I will find a way to make it make it happen. I mean, for I have been
I've been
I've pretty much been self employed by my whole life. And and for the first
10 years at least. It was a struggle. It was up and down.
It was, like, I never got traction with it with anything.
I was just always resorting to to freelance programming for others as a way to survive in between my failure
failed attempts
at at at entrepreneurship.
And
And so many people have been so busy telling me to just like, why don't you just give up?
Why don't you just take a job?
You're such a good, you know, coder in and there are so many people who would be happy to employ you and pay you good pay you good money.
And I was like, for me, it was always always, I'd rather die.
I'd rather die than take a job for for someone.
I this is this is who I this is what I wanna make work. I'm
so committed to making it work and and, you know, finally succeeded. So
- commitment. - Yeah. And and calendar vision. Commitment. Yeah.
And and also it's it's okay to work really hard I'm I'm not III don't have any regrets about working my butt off for the last 2 years really because
today I have worked
Actually, I think I only worked 2 hours today because my big teenager had an exam and actually got an a.
So we were celebrating and I was just like, well, I I can just
stop now and work on tomorrow.
You know?
And and so I'm III only capable of doing that today and celebrating with him when he came home from school because
I because I worked at half. So so I think it's about a commitment saying, okay, this is what I want.
And and, you know, the the big online
gurus, I I say it's about 3 3 years to live very very good at it. And and
and and
and I'm only focusing on my digital product now to go online workshop, but but I know a lot of people also benefit
from the
the this whole online marketing with with clients.
1 on 1, 1 on 2 group coaching, you know, there's a lot of stuff you can do live and and and get clients like this.
It's it's it's I'm I'm just working on the the digital part now, but but
but it's it's really
III have 6 I when I when I quit my my my clients, I had 6 month waiting list. Mhmm.
For relationship therapy. Of course. 6 months, and all people aren't talking about
talking with
in in in in, you know, relationship,
therapist like that, then psychologist, the private psychologist, which is you can't get clients.
- That's a great thing to - do.
That that the the the online courses and those info products that you create,
it's not just the money that they generate in another themselves.
It's also part of positioning you as an expert as a special unique sought after experts
that then give you other kinds of customers. Yeah.
- So so you could say if you have a membership club
and and making this expert
interview every month and then it transcribed,
scrapping transcribing, you know, making a little e guy that can print out with the some of the tools.
So if I'm, like, maybe that that's not where you're going to get most money
but it's going to give you consent to your side. It's going to position you in your field as
an expert. You know, if you're interviewing other experts, then you're the expert expert.
And and and that would give you more clients too, and it would make you you know, no more your your own knowledge will grow.
So so so that way you will get if if you focus on these things, you can see an asset
front door,
- small products can be a front door for clients to buy big stuff. - Right. You know? Yes. Exactly.
- Maybe
Yeah.
- So Robin is asking if we can see 1 of your landing pages.
- I'm not sure. - Yeah. You can.
It's a bit okay if it's 1 of Danish
because
- I'm this is my Danish side. - As long as you give us, like, then you can finish to English course
- at the same time. I'm just - I will.
Yeah. Actually, right now,
my translate is working
translating
the
this this is
This is a little below the belt, but sorry.
This is awakening sexuality in a t spot and gave more enjoyment in a sex life.
This is some
online workshop in 3 modules
and for
spoken guides. I think the translation will be.
And this is
oh, it looks like
saying
you experienced that it is a struggle for you to be turned on when you're about to have sex.
Do do you feel like you
you aren't getting enough
feeling or something
And I'm I'm I'm actually
talking to them about the pain, the things they think about, you know.
And then there is a live out
kind of facts, you know,
hundred percent of the women in my survey
they actually wanted a a lovely and enjoyable
sex life, and they were frustrated about they
- they thought they could have something and and they weren't there, you know. - Okay.
- And then I'm talking a little Still a good translate.
I've tried that, and I know some of my my English, my American friends have done it, and then actually, it it makes good sense.
Mhmm.
- Okay. And - then there's something about your models and what you get.
You know, when they come when it when it's on and and then when people are very
still insecure about what is it? This online thing, how is it going to work?
- So I'm actually this is how it's going to work step by step. - Oh, that's a good point.
- You know, when you sign up, you get a personal mail, personal login,
And what I do when I launch something like this is that I people will write me with the questions that I have an asset.
And when they do that,
I look.
In a model. And here, lead the
what do you call it? And Davis, it's called in house for dinosaur.
- Yep. Table of content. - This is the the things I I go through.
Yeah. Table of content exactly much a lot.
2, module 3. If.
And then they come so so when I launch and people write to me during the launch,
What if I wanna have my my husband with me? What?
I run. I take the type the email and I log in to my web page.
- And, you know, so it's getting better and better and better and better. - Yeah.
And so this this particular landing page is on your WordPress website.
- Yes. - Yes. I keep all in my my own oh, no. Because I've done some split testing.
I wanna show you this
This is the this is this is get the no. This is I love you, but I'm so tired of acting.
This is actually
the the the beat test and a split testing.
Mhmm. And this was 37
percent
mom, if get a sales with this 1, then be able to. Okay.
Year old.
So this is this is 1 I'm tomorrow on my list of what I'm going to do tomorrow.
People I'm going to call, actually, my split testing guide because we're
setting up another 1. So the testing this 1, I guess another.
- So - -- Cool. -- - yes. Maybe he's going to change something about here.
You know, maybe he's going to change 5 now and give it another color.
Then we just see what happens in the next 6 months. Cool.
I would say some of the some of
the things that I've I've
that is is getting testimonials.
Some of the people I I am
and I wanna mention this because
when you start out and, you know, you can you can and I was too very be very insecure about am I am I good enough?
You know,
can I really help people? And
and
and some of the girls that I'm entering right now
haven't had very much 1 on 1 client, and they haven't got all these great testimonials.
We can see all the the the big people have.
So so what I have said to them is why don't you offer
10 sessions or 3 3 sessions for free?
Focusing people.
You can do that for the next the next 3 or 4 months.
And they told me
that they have had such good experience
in teaching people and, you know, coaching them even though it was for free, that they have they've they've gotten the self esteem.
They've gotten this. I can do this. I can I can really I can really get this
move people from a to b? And they have gotten the great testimonials.
- And and that is 2 very important things. - Alright. - And
And and and people say, but but it's for free. And I yeah. But, you know, long term, this works.
- Right.
Awesome. I love that you have in your bookmarks bar, something called the internal clearest
- Yeah. It's because There was a picture as I just III
need it to my graphic because you, you know, when you do online courses and digital product, you can just you can just take pictures from Google.
They don't like that. So when I when I I see stuff and I say, oh, yes, I need this picture.
I send it to my I have what are you called? She's drawing it. Yeah.
Because they Can you make something like this? Yeah.
He'll just try to guess because she's illustrating it there on her own. So Good.
Yeah. Sorry.
I'm a I am a psychologist.
- Oh, yeah. Is your is your line of work? That's alright.
And then I also wanted to know your graphic designer VPK. What's her last name?
- She's not my graphic be bigger like, be bigger
is the 1 who made my America
- side. Yes. - I posted at the graphics store. - And she her
yeah. The
Page is
much more.
Much more. People.
- Alright. - And
the 1 she the 1 she's she's working let's doing the graphic. That's lean.
Okay. From quartz dot Conjunctivo.
And Lena is is right now working actually, Lena, my my graphic the the girl that has made this graphic, made me cry today.
In a good way. She sent me the the graphic form and your affiliate program, and it was
- it was so freaking cool and made me cry. - Awesome. - I'm I have very easy, very easy to choose.
- Good.
Yeah.
Alright. My let's let's
let people off the hook here and
round
in this evening together or morning wherever you are.
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much
for all that you've shared with us today.
- It's really amazing. - Yeah. Thank you. III love talking about this. Alright.
If I can say last thing? Yes, ma'am.
The most important thing is not to give up.
Really, really, really, really, just keep on going keep on going because if if you do that, you you will have success.
And and look at people that that made made it work
don't look at the people who's teaching it and not making it work work for themselves.
Look at the people who have
who have done it, you know,
That that III found I found an Australian girl, and I was thinking she's about a year in front of me.
And I'm I'm looking at her and and following her and seeing, okay, what kind of problems is she
working on now. Where is she?
And
and she is 1 of the next I wanna
grab
grab onto and say, hey,
how much for your mentoring because
because she she she's living it. And and like you, Calvin, if if
if if you're living it and you're doing it, you
you you can give really good advice
and and you can learn real real life from from people doing it. And
and and lots of people
more than willing to to just ask the simple question on email.
So yeah. And if and if they're smart, they have a q and a on this side, and you've been always
always emailing.
So but don't give up don't give up. But think it think it as a long term business.
Think it think long terms, really. And and and it would be
much less can you say much less frustrating that this this is long term?
In the long term, you win and you will earn a lot of money, but but not short term. Yeah.
- And would you recommend that people use unbilling for their business?
- Holy moly.
They yes. Of course, Edward. I
I can seriously say that if I hadn't
if if if I hadn't used Synchrony, I would still be working as a school teacher.
Wow.
Well, really because this is where my list is it makes it so easy for me to do list stuff
so easy. I went on the American market, called me to know because I actually mailed you.
So if you can remember, IIII went on the American market to find something in American.
Because I didn't know that that I could use the symbol in American too.
So so I couldn't find anything that could do, what symboling could do, and
And and what I found was that it was much more expensive.
So my email account and they said, why don't you just make another account and just make it an English?
Oh, help. Can I do that? I'm just going to do that. So
so really, III couldn't have done my I I couldn't have done my membership.
No. I get
Yeah. Yes. I can only reconcile billing. Really.
It's really
- great. I'm so glad to hear that, mate. Thank you so much.
Thanks for everything, and
thanks to all of you who showed up here today.
Zenbilling dot com
Click the button, sign up for your free account.
Like I said, it doesn't it doesn't
cost anything.
Oh, Robin has 1 more question, which is do you have a mastermind group?
- Who
- who who's she asking? We? - I think you. Yes.
- Oh.
- Yeah. I'm asking mine to about online marketing. - Yeah. Are you running 1? Are you a member of 1?
- No. I'm not running. I'm I'm I am going to have
1 here in the phone. Mhmm.
In in in in Denmark, but I'm actually thinking about doing 1 international too. So
just Yeah. Send send me an email and and and really if if you're listening here, you you're you're
welcome to to send me an email.
Just don't write me 10 pages, but I would would would be glad to to answer some question if you have if you have some No
worries. Thank you. Yeah. That's right. Right now, I'm just focusing on
yes. But in the fall, it will come from mastermind groups. Yes.
- Great.
Thank you. Let me just extend that as well and say, I'm always there.
Any questions? Email me.
That's great. Thank you so much, Mike. Yeah.
- And Thank you. I thank you. Yeah.
- Great. - And
everybody have a wonderful, amazing, fantastic day.
Looking forward to
getting to know you seeing you on Zoom billing and seeing you join the family and and let's
spread the love and make this world an amazing place.
Thank you so much.
- Bye bye. - Bye bye everyone.